EARLIEST OWENS-ILLINOIS SODA BOTTLE MARK (NON-ACL)

[morbious_fod]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

ORIGINAL: celerycola

I used to have one of those. ;-)

LOL!

 

[celerycola]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

ORIGINAL: morbious_fod

I'm not shocked that the Jumbo is the earliest so far, it has long been concidered the first. The Double Cola Company website claims the brand was introduced in 1933, so there may be an even earlier one out there from that year.

Isn't there an embossed Jumbo the same basic shape and style?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Morb ~

I thought you and others might like to read a couple of pages from the Owens-Illinois History book. These particular pages primarily deal with the early 1930s and cover a couple of things you touched on earlier. Including ...

1. Brief mention of milk bottles.
2. Other acqusitions.
3. The 1931 ACL paragraph.
4. Diversity.
5. Depression era.
6. Prohibition recovery.

But mainly I am posting the following pages to emphasize what I feel are the talents and specific documentations of an accomplished writer and buisnessman, and not just the foggy recollections of some old guy who didn't have anything better to do than write three (3) books chronicling the history of Owens-Illinois Inc. Meaning ... I honestly think when he makes statements like "announced that year," that it was something which actually took place, and are not just guesswork comments. Of course, we still have a lot of searching to do to determine if there are in fact any 1931 through 1933 acls. I agree, 1931s are doubtful. But 1932 and 1933? Just "maybe."

Note: Most of the information in this 2010 book is carried over from Paquettes previous two books when he was younger. I have no doubt that he had full access to any O-I records he wanted.

1st Book 1984 ... Paquette was 59 years old and recently retired.
2nd Book 1994 .. 69 years old.
3rd Book 2010 ... 85 years old.


Thanks.

Bob

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[SODAPOPBOB]

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[SODAPOPBOB]

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[morbious_fod]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

ORIGINAL: celerycola

ORIGINAL: morbious_fod

I'm not shocked that the Jumbo is the earliest so far, it has long been concidered the first. The Double Cola Company website claims the brand was introduced in 1933, so there may be an even earlier one out there from that year.

There is a Jumbo Beverages bottle, but it is very different from the Jumbo A Super Cola.
Isn't there an embossed Jumbo the same basic shape and style?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Note: Although this thread seems to have transitioned from looking for non-acl 1929 O-I bottles to 1934 or earlier acls, I am still interested, and continue to search for a 1929. So if you happen to come across one before I do, please be sure to share it with us as that is still the primary focus of this discussion.

In the meantime ... check out this "Thatcher Glass" ad that (if I understand it correctly) is from 1934. You will most likely have to do a zoom on it to read it, which can be easily changed by adjusting your zoom level on the lower right of most screen displays. Set it at about 200%.

The paragraph of most interest is the fourth one down that reads ...

For bottle collectors, probably the most interesting development of the 1930s was the introduction of applied color labels. This labeling technique - called "pyroglazing" by Thatcher - was reportedly "demostrated" by the company in 1932 [Figure 8]. Their first ads for the process, and presumably it's first appearance on their bottles, was in March of 1934.

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I acknowledge the article uses terms like "presumably," but it is still enough to capture my interest. But the best part of all is the [Figure 8] ad itself. It really hits the nail on the head. The only thing that I'm a little confused about is if I understand it correctly, and that the ad in figure 8 is from 1932 or later? But even if it is from 1934, the acl soda bottles pictured in the ad would definitely be worth looking at for those who have them in their collections. I'm not entirely sure about how to decipher a Thatcher Glass mark, as I don't have a single Thatcher bottle in my collection that I am aware of, so if you have one or more of them, maybe you can educate us.

Thanks.

SPBOB

[ Thatcher Glass article and ad ~ Ad likely 1932 thru 1934 ~ Definitely very early once you read it ]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Here's an enlarged - cropped - highlighted version of the Thatcher ad that should be easier to read without zooming. The Thatcher mark looks something like this ...

mTc ... and stands for "Thatcher Manufacturing Company"

... but I'm still not sure about their date codes/numbers?

The mark can be seen on the Kist bottle in the ad.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Here's a picture of the base on the ...

" JUMBO ~ A SUPER COLA"

... that Morb sent me in a PM. It is embossed ...

3 <(I)> 4 (no dot)
3.

Which translates ...

Owens-Illinois Plant #3 ~ Fairmont, West Virginia
1934
3. = Mold Cavity Number

Thanks Morb. Your bottle is the earliest acl soda currently known! Congratulations.

If anyone else has one these bottles ~ please check the base and see if it has a similar date code

SPBOB

 

[bottleopop]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Here is the patent for this bottle. It's assigned to the Seminole Flavor Company.

Click on "Drawing" near the top left of the page that comes up.

The patent was filed at the patent office on Feb. 23, 1934 and the patent date is April 24, 1934.