SODAPOPBOB
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Howdy ~
I haven't been around lately - been busy with a variety of things, including catagorizing and photographing my extensive collection of approximately 500 Southwest related items. Just the postcards alone took me almost a week.
Anyway, the following is something I have been wanting to do for some time now, and thought it might be interesting and fun to invite others to participate. What I would like to do is find as many of the earliest Owens-Illinois bottle marks as we can find - and the brands that used them.
As most of us know by now, the Owens-Illinois merger was officially approved on April 17, 1929. However, even though there are claims of the mark being used as early as April 20, 1929, there still appears to be come controversy surrounding this early of use. The <(I)> mark itself was not officially registered (#269,225) until April 1, 1930.
According to Julian H. Toulouse, actual production began sometime in 1930. Irregardless of the exact year, it would pre-date acl (painted label) bottles which first started to appear around 1934/35. Of course, Duraglas would not join the Owens-Illinois team until 1940.
So what I'm looking for are those "possible" 1929 examples if they exist - and definitely the 1930 thru 1933 examples.
Here's are some links if you would like to brush-up on your Owens-Illinois history. And please note this is not intended to create a debate involving the dot / no-dot discussion. I think most of us will agree that if the bottles in question are non-acl and of the deco-style variety, more than likely whatever mark they have, whether it be a single 9 or a zero/0, the odds are it is either a 1929 or 1930 bottle. I realize that some bottlers were still producing non-acl deco styles as late as 1939, but I believe they will be far and few between.
First let's just see what we can find with a single ...
9 ~ 0 ~ 1 ~ 2 ~ 3
... and if any 9s turn up, then we will take a vote as to whether they are 1929 or 1939.
The earliest example in my collection is the "Quality" bottle pictured below.
Bill Lockhart Articles[/align] [/align]http://www.sha.org/research_resources/newsletter_articles/lockhart.cfm[/align] [/align]http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/OwensIll_BLockhart.pdf[/align] [/align]Owens-Illinois Plant Locations/Numbers[/align] [/align]http://www.angelfire.com/tn/traderz/owens.html[/align] [/align]Bottle Makers and Their Marks / Diamond Superimposed ...[/align] [/align]http://www.myinsulators.com/glass-factories/bottlemarks.html[/align][/align]
I expect this to be a brief thread, as I am doubtful of many 1929 thru 1930 Owens-Illinois bottles turning up. Most will likely be 1931 thru 1933. And if you post, please show a picture of both the bottle itself (with a description) as well as a picture of the base. One picture is worth a thousand words.
Note: The first O-I plant location/number is No.1 Toledo, Ohio. But whether they actually made the very first bottles, I would expect so, but not sure.
Thanks in advance to all who participate.
SODAPOPBOB
[ Quality ~ Fremont, Nebraska ~ Coca Cola Bottling Co. ~ 3 <(I)> 1 ~ Fairmont, W.VA. ~ 1931 ]
I haven't been around lately - been busy with a variety of things, including catagorizing and photographing my extensive collection of approximately 500 Southwest related items. Just the postcards alone took me almost a week.
Anyway, the following is something I have been wanting to do for some time now, and thought it might be interesting and fun to invite others to participate. What I would like to do is find as many of the earliest Owens-Illinois bottle marks as we can find - and the brands that used them.
As most of us know by now, the Owens-Illinois merger was officially approved on April 17, 1929. However, even though there are claims of the mark being used as early as April 20, 1929, there still appears to be come controversy surrounding this early of use. The <(I)> mark itself was not officially registered (#269,225) until April 1, 1930.
According to Julian H. Toulouse, actual production began sometime in 1930. Irregardless of the exact year, it would pre-date acl (painted label) bottles which first started to appear around 1934/35. Of course, Duraglas would not join the Owens-Illinois team until 1940.
So what I'm looking for are those "possible" 1929 examples if they exist - and definitely the 1930 thru 1933 examples.
Here's are some links if you would like to brush-up on your Owens-Illinois history. And please note this is not intended to create a debate involving the dot / no-dot discussion. I think most of us will agree that if the bottles in question are non-acl and of the deco-style variety, more than likely whatever mark they have, whether it be a single 9 or a zero/0, the odds are it is either a 1929 or 1930 bottle. I realize that some bottlers were still producing non-acl deco styles as late as 1939, but I believe they will be far and few between.
First let's just see what we can find with a single ...
9 ~ 0 ~ 1 ~ 2 ~ 3
... and if any 9s turn up, then we will take a vote as to whether they are 1929 or 1939.
The earliest example in my collection is the "Quality" bottle pictured below.
Bill Lockhart Articles[/align] [/align]http://www.sha.org/research_resources/newsletter_articles/lockhart.cfm[/align] [/align]http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/OwensIll_BLockhart.pdf[/align] [/align]Owens-Illinois Plant Locations/Numbers[/align] [/align]http://www.angelfire.com/tn/traderz/owens.html[/align] [/align]Bottle Makers and Their Marks / Diamond Superimposed ...[/align] [/align]http://www.myinsulators.com/glass-factories/bottlemarks.html[/align][/align]
I expect this to be a brief thread, as I am doubtful of many 1929 thru 1930 Owens-Illinois bottles turning up. Most will likely be 1931 thru 1933. And if you post, please show a picture of both the bottle itself (with a description) as well as a picture of the base. One picture is worth a thousand words.
Note: The first O-I plant location/number is No.1 Toledo, Ohio. But whether they actually made the very first bottles, I would expect so, but not sure.
Thanks in advance to all who participate.
SODAPOPBOB
[ Quality ~ Fremont, Nebraska ~ Coca Cola Bottling Co. ~ 3 <(I)> 1 ~ Fairmont, W.VA. ~ 1931 ]