GREEN ~ STRAIGHT-SIDED ~ ACL COCA COLA BOTTLE

[SODAPOPBOB]

Morb

That's one of the many things I like about your contributions - you provide evidence to support your observations and do not inject emotions towards those who might have a different opinion. The one thing I found especially interesting on the Allan Petretti site you posted a link to is the fake, yellow, ceramic pitcher. Notice that the 5 on the pitcher is almost identical to the 5 on the bottle and how both curve upward at the top. You might recall my saying earlier that I was having difficulty finding a similar 5 on original items. Even though I do not feel this observation is 100% conclusive either way, your discovery is definitely worthy of consideration and possibly the best contribution thus far.

As to purchasing the bottle, I'd like to have it even if it is a fake. The only thing preventing me from owning it now is the price. In fact, I have already made an offer on it but the seller said my offer was about what they paid for it and that they were hoping to get more. I do not know the seller but I get the impression from them that they definitely believe the bottle to be a genuine prototype of some kind.

Here are the 5s for comparison - green bottle on the left - yellow pitcher on the right ...

 

[iggyworf]

I agree. Excellent research work to all you guys who helped on this bottle. My girlfriend collects cokes and I was keeping tabs on this one. Trying to learn as much as possible. Thanx.

 

[fishnuts]

Finally, my .02 worth and imho, the bottle is a fake.Possibly, probably made by the same (con)artist that made all the red screen printed dozens/hundreds of WWII milk bottles, which one can still find in antique malls. Each one of those that I have hand examined showed this old screen printer that they were new but distressed looking images on vintage, (i.e. Used looking) bottles. I do not know milk bottle mfg marks as well as soda bottles marks so I do not know if those bottles screens upon were actually of the WWII vintage, or before. Or after. I have seen plenty of these frauds/fakes, all priced less than $40. All done in red onlys. Most had WWII patriotic images: aircraft, tanks, etc... And, upon my first sighting I had selected two for myself that I knew where seriously 'undervalued' at forty bucks per. However, as my wife and I examined the entire display it became obvious to us, particularly as they were priced way way below normal.And, there were more that a dozen of these all in one dealer space scattered among your normal mall finds of $2 to $10 bottle dross.When I note the photos of this 'coca cola' I note that the base appears to be that of a newer bottle than it's advertised 'age'.About as real as The duck hunters, say.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Night Shift ... ??? Even though I would like to own the green acl bottle (whether it's a fake or genuine), I think the one thing more than anything else that bugs me about it is the 5Cents on the neck. And I don't necessarily mean the font-style of the 5 itself (because as you will see below that a similar 5 was used on some of the earlier Coca Cola items), but rather because the 5 is on the neck of the bottle. Based on everything I know about the introduction of the acl process in the early to mid 1930s, the application of an acl to a non-flat surface was not achieved until later on. But then again, being as I am not certain when the bottle was manufactured, (which could have been in 1930 or later) it's hard to say which era of the acl process it was done in. In fact, I'm not even certain the label is an acl - for all I know it could have been applied with a stencil and spray paint. It's the aspect of not knowing all the answers that intrigues me most. If the bottle can be examined and determined that the label was in fact applied by a genuine acl process, then it would shed an entirely new light on the subject. But to acquire the bottle at a reasonable price is another matter. The only thing not discussed here that I can think of is the possibility of the bottle being created by what is sometimes referred to as a "night-shift crew." But irregardless of any of these possibilities, I am still of the opinion the bottle needs to be examined by an expert before any definite conclusions can be arrive at. Here's an example of a similar 5C ~ Dated Circa 1900 ~ Celluloid Book Mark

 

[FitSandTic]

I just want to know if you found your Coca Cola blob top yet?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I just want to know if you found your Coca Cola blob top yet?

Not yet - but there's at least one out there somewhere. And even if it's a fake, I'd like to have it as well ...
[URL=http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/an-interview-with-coca-cola-bottle-collector-and-author-doug-mccoy/]http://www.collectorsweek...and-author-doug-mccoy/

[h4]Collectors Weekly: What are some of your favorite bottles in your collection?[/h4]McCoy:"Some of my favorites are the error bottles. I have one with an upside-down Coca-Cola logo. People who worked the nightshift would make bottles incorrectly and sneak them out of the factory. Some of those have made their way onto eBay. You can also find some with incorrect colors. I really enjoy trying to find different variations of those bottles. Some of my other favorites are the bottles with the red and white labels that they used in the 1970s. They’re very eye-catching and make a great display."

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I just purchased an example of a bottle I spoke about earlier - it's like the one pictured below and is emerald green and has Coca Cola Bottling Co. embossed in block letters on the shoulder. Mine is marked on the base with 3 <(I)> 7 and was made by Owens-Illinois in 1937. But what's especially interesting about it is that it's almost identical to the early 7up bottles and is the same size, shape, and color. Plus it has G6795 embossed on the heel, which is an Owens-Illinois mold/style number. My collection of 7up bottles are currently packed away but when I get around to checking them I expect to find the same mold/style number on at least a couple of them. Now why do you suppose Coca Cola would use an identical bottle as that used by 7up in the late 1930s?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S.

Regarding the green, G6795, 7 ounce Owens-Illinois Coca Cola bottle I just posted ...

If you think it's a 1947 Owens-Illinois bottle and not a 1937, please consider the following.

1. Would a 1947 bottle have a single digit 7?
2. Would a 1947 bottle have what I call the earlier "fat" Owens-Illinois mark?
3. Would a 1947 bottle not have Duraglas embossed on the base?
4. Would a 1947 bottle have a paper label?
5. Would a 1947 bottle not be an ACL?6. Would a 1947 bottle have numerous tiny bubbles scattered throughout the glass?

By the way, I was forgetting my Owens-Illinois basics earlier and just remembered that a paper label bottle and an ACL bottle have different mold/style numbers. The 7 ounce 7up ACL bottles are usually marked G-94 - with this same code appearing on Squirt and various other bottles of a similar size, shape, and color. I now suspect the Owens-Illinois G6795 code is more likely to be found on non-ACLs such as the paper label 7up bottle pictured below. Unfortunately I do not have one of these paper label 7up bottles and ask if anyone does to please check it and if it is an Owens-Illinois bottle, see if it is marked G6795 or possibly has some other numbers on it?

Thanks

Here's an example of a 7 ounce 7up bottle with a paper label ~ Exact date and code unknown.

 

[sunrunner]

even if the acl was gown in the back,it shued leve a ghost emage . most of the time.

 

[morbious_fod]

I just have to yank your chain, even though I agree with you that the bottle is a 1937.

1. Would a 1947 bottle have a single digit 7? The answer is yes. It is possible for a 1947 bottle to have a single digit; however, it would have an embossed dot beside it. In fact most 1947s that I have seen have the 7 with the dot, and a tiny 4 embossed diagonal of the 7.

2. Would a 1947 bottle have what I call the earlier "fat" Owens-Illinois mark? It is possible for an older mold to be modified for a 1947 bottle.

3. Would a 1947 bottle not have Duraglas embossed on the base? Duraglas embossed on the base wasn't completely universal. In fact my OCBCO green seven ounce bottle from Marion, VA doesn't have the stippling or Duraglas embossed on it, yet it does have the "fat" Owens Illinois mark, and a dot beside the 7. The reason is that this mold was originally made around 1931, and they just updated the date rather than creating a new mold. Conclusion it is possible.

4. Would a 1947 bottle have a paper label? Yes, Pepsi was paper label till at least 1947 in Marion, VA. In 1947 they introduced the first acl, of course the previously mentioned green bottle used a Blue Ridge Ginger Ale paper label until the early 1950's.

5. Would a 1947 bottle not be an ACL?. Answered that one above. Would a 1947 bottle have numerous tiny bubbles scattered throughout the glass? While the process was better there could still be bubbles in the glass by 1947.

All of this was just to point out that anything is possible. The Coca-Cola bottle you have would have been used for a ginger ale or something similar.