new soda bottle find

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P.S. I'm currently researching "Simons & Clee"

Just for the record ... The mention of Simons & Clee in the 1891 biography for Simon J Simons was a typo. The correct spelling is Klee with a 'K' for Henry W. Klee. There is very little information about him, but he must have been a silent partner of S. J. Simons' for a very brief period of time during the early 1890s.

 

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I thought I'd wrap up my contribution to this discussion with this cropped close up of the 1910 picture and what might very well be Simon J Simons on the left and his son John H Simons on the right. Of course I don't know this for certain, but because the are in the center of the picture it could very well be them. Besides, the other fellas in the photo look a little bit like slackers to me. [] [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...ed (1175x1075).jpg] [attachment=Hayward Soda Works...86) (1024x825).jpg]

 

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Last but not least ... http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/haywards-soda-works-california-photo-173769068 [attachment=Haywards Soda Works California.jpg]

 

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I had the following information in my notes and thought I'd share it for a future reference in connection with how to approximately date certain bottles when there are no date codes. The earliest use of consistent date coding I'm aware of was by the Root Glass Company who started dating their bottles in 1909. ( So here goes, which will require at least three pages/post ) This Haywards Soda Works, Hutchinson bottle is marked with ...
Front: HAYWARDS / S. J. SIMONS / SODA WPRKS
Back: Blank
Base: PCGW

1 Because it has the PCGW mark for the Pacific Coast Glass Works, we know it dates to 1902 at the earliest because that's when the Pacific Coast Glass Works was founded.

2. Because it is marked with Haywards Soda Works, we know it was made before 1910. It was in 1910 when they changed the name to Haywards Soda Works Company.

3. Hence, this bottle likely dates to sometime between 1902 and 1910, or Circa 1906


( To be continued )

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Next up is this ... Haywards Soda Works straight-sided, crown-top bottle 1. It too has the PCGW mark on the base2. Because it is a crown top, we know it was surely made after their Hutchinson bottle 3. Because it has PCGW, we know it dates to no earlier than 19024. Even though it post-dates their Hutchinson bottle, and post-dates the use of the word "Company" we still have to date it between 1902 and 1910, or Circa 1906 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAYWARD-SODA-WORKS-S-J-SIMONS-ANTIQUE-SODA-BOTTLE-RARE-ESTATE-FIND-/371493219556?hash=item567eb8ace4:g:~sMAAOSwcBhWU3R0 [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...ase PCGW Front.jpg] [attachment=Haywards Soda Work... PCGW Close Up.jpg] [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...CGW (1100x825).jpg]

 

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Which brings us to this ... Haywards Soda Works Company, straight-sided, crown-top bottle 1. Also marked on the base with PCGW2. Because of the word "Company," we know it dates later than the previous bottle3. Hence, it would date between 1910 and 1925, (1) because 1910 was when they changed the name to "Company" and (2) because 1925 is when the Pacific Coast Glass Works stopped using the PCGW mark. Thus dating it Circa 1917 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAYWARDS-SODA-WORKS-HAYWARD-CA-EARLY-CROWN-TOP-SODA-MINERAL-WATER-BOTTLE-/161691832075?nma=true&si=j5Bp1Cms2McSnAk3iwqLniCBpf8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...y Bottle Front.jpg] [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...Front Close Up.jpg] [attachment=Haywards Soda Work...se (1100x1009).jpg]

 

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Andy I suppose you see the trend with the last three bottles in that all of them were made by the Pacific Coast Glass Works and marked with PCGW. Which indicates the Haywards Soda Works ordered a lot of bottles from that glass maker. I apologize for asking this again, but are you 100% certain that your bottle doesn't have any of the following marks? I have several PCGW bottles and on some of them the mark is extremely small and very hard to see. [ul][*]P/C in duo-segmented parallelogram……….Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was introduced in 1919, and used on ware until about 1930. Source on 1919 date: Peterson (1968:49).[*]P/C in a square……..Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was used possibly as early as 1919, but was definitely in use by 1925. See other “P.C.” entries.[*]P C in a triangle……….Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). Mark was first used in either 1919 or 1925.[*]P.C………………..Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and it’s successor Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). The PC mark probably dates from either 1919, or 1925, and on up to 1930.[*]P.C.G.W…………….Pacific Coast Glass Works, San Francisco, CA (1902-1925). See “P.C.” marks.[/ul]

 

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Here's the PCGW mark on a straight-sided Coca Cola bottle I have ... [attachment=PCGW Coke Bottle 002 (480x640).jpg] [attachment=PCGW Coke Bottle 001 (640x480).jpg]

 

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P.S. For those who might be confused about using the word "Company" as a means to approximately date some of the Haywards bottles versus the lack of the word "Company" such as Andy's bottle, which is clearly marked with Haywards Soda Works without the word "Company," all I can say is that I have never, ever seen a designer/deco bottle of that particular style and shape that dates any earlier than about 1920. Ask any advanced collector and I am confident they will agree with this. So how do we explain a post 1920 bottle with Haywards Soda Works on it when the word "Company" was added around 1910? My best guess is that ol' Simon J. Simons intentionally had it designed that way in order to tie in a "new" bottle with a nostalgic name and look from the past.

 

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Andy is going to punch me in the nose when he sees this, because I somehow lost tract of the fact that his bottle does have "CO." on it. So please disregard my last post. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote it other than to say I'm an idiot! And, no, I haven't been drinking turkey flavored wine [] Happy Thanksgiving [attachment=Haywards Soda Works Co. Deco Bottle.jpg]