new soda bottle find

[andy volkerts]

Hey Bob, no nose punching, LOL, BUT MY BOTTLE does have the triangle with pcg in it on the side of the base near the bottom under the words Citric acid, I had to look really hard as it is faint, but it is there. So my bottle could be as early as 1919.........Only gotta wait 4 yrs now for it to fit into the 100 yr old category[]....Andy

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

[ul][*]P/C in duo-segmented parallelogram ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was introduced in 1919, and used on ware until about 1930. Source on 1919 date: Peterson (1968:49).[*]P/C in a square ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was used possibly as early as 1919, but was definitely in use by 1925. See other “P.C.” entries.[*]P C in a triangle ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). Mark was first used in either 1919 or 1925.[*]P.C ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and it’s successor Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). The PC mark probably dates from either 1919, or 1925, and on up to 1930.[*]P.C.G.W ... Pacific Coast Glass Works, San Francisco, CA (1902-1925). See “P.C.” marks.[/ul]

Andy I'm glad you were able to find the makers mark. I had a feeling it might have one. I'm currently trying to figure out why there seems to be so much confusion about the 1919 date. Notice in the above listing where in some instances they say "probably" and "possibly." The only thing in particular I could find in connection with Pacific Coast Glass Works and 1919 is that it was in 1919 when they purchased several acres of property for a new plant. As near as I can determine they did not finish construction for the new plant until sometime after 1923. Prior to 1923 they were still operating out of their old plant. Perhaps the 1919 acquisition of property is what has been confusing researchers. I might start a new thread regarding all of this because I came across some other stuff that could give reason to rewrite some of the history in connection with the Pacific Coast Glass Works plants in the Bay area. I will let you know if/when I start the new thread. Its kinda complicated and I need to organize my notes first. The following links talk about the 1919 property acquisition ...
May 1919 Publication ~ Western Can and Packer ~ Page 7

https://goo.gl/aDS4xh

"An entire new modern plant is planned
but construction will not be started for
about a year."

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Same Publication ~ Page 23

https://goo.gl/EKNLaa

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The San Francisco Chronicle ~ San Francisco, California ~ April 19, 1919

*Notice where the 1919 article mentions both addresses

Current plant = Seventh and Irwin
New property = Railroad and Paul


[attachment=Pacific Coast Glas...919 (754x1100).jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. 1. The older 7th & Irwin plant was located in downtown San Francisco 2. The new Railroad & Paul property was located about 5+ miles south of the downtown plant

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy I went ahead and started the new thread. Here's the link ... https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/PACIFIC-COAST-GLASS-WORKSCOMPANY-SAN-FRANCISCO-CALIFORNIA-CONFUSING-MAKERS-MARKS-m685338.aspx#685338

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Hey, Andy Howz about checking that makers mark again. Please use a magnifying glass if possible. According to this 2010 article by Bill Lockhart, the Pacific Coast Glass Works never used the Triangle mark. Its actually an Illinois-Pacific Glass Corporation mark. Now you know what I mean about some of this stuff being confusing. I was going to save this information for my new thread (and still plan to) but I wanted to double check with you first and see about the mark on your Haywards bottle. When you check it, look close in the triangle for an ... IPG If your bottle was made by Illinois-Pacific Glass, then we'll have to try and re-date it. ( You might have to save the image first and then zoom to read it ) [attachment=Pacific Coast Glas...art (837x1100).jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. Here's another example of the IPG mark, plus the apparent dates ... IPG in a triangle - Illinois Pacific Glass Corporation, San Francisco, California (c.1925-1930 or 1932) [attachment=Illinois Pacific G... San Francisco.jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy I just discovered Illinois-Pacific Glass Corporation also used a IPC mark. So please look super close and see if you can determine if its a G or a C If its a C, then it appears the date can be narrowed down to 1931-1932

 

[andy volkerts]

Hello Bob. It appears to be IPG, the G definitely has the downward slash, like your pic The I is almost un readable, but it couldn't be anything else as there wouldn't be enough room for a P, and there is no C in the middle, now that I am using a glass it is apparent that it is IPG within a triangle with that pyramid thingy above the IPG, and just under the crown of the Pyramid. So that makes it 1925 or later, probably correct for a deco soda design. Anyways still gonna keep it.......Andy