new soda bottle find

[SODAPOPBOB]

Correction ... If this information from S. J. Simons' biography is accurate, then he apparently did take over Haywards Soda Works in the early 1890s and not in 1910. It was in 1910 that he apparently changed the name. I checked and Simons died in 1928. The original Haywards Soda Works was established in 1884 by J. A. Collins. The following is copy/pasted from the biography link I posted earlier ... "In the early '90s he established a bottling business in Hayward, which proved a successful venture, and he carried it on alone until about 1910, when he organized the Hayward Soda Works Company, of which he became president, remaining at the head of that business up to the time of his death."

 

[hemihampton]

So how would you know if you had a original 1884 bottle? or 1884-1893. LEON

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

So how would you know if you had a original 1884 bottle? or 1884-1893. LEON

I'm not sure it can be narrowed down to 1884-1893, but it would most likely be a Hutchinson bottle marked with J. A. Collins, and similar to the one I posted a picture of earlier. The Hutchinson era began when Charles G. Hutchinson, the son of William H. Hutchinson, a long-time Chicago, Illinois soda bottler and equipment manufacturer, patented his "Hutchinson's Patent Spring Stopper" on April 8, 1879

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I guess the next question should be ... How do you precisely date Hutchinson bottles made between 1879 and 1900? (Especially when most if not all Hutch's during this time period are not date marked?)

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I got to thinking and believe the only way to distinguish an 1884 J. A. Collins Hutchinson from a later one would be to have numerous examples on hand and then study them for minute details. And even that might not narrow it down. You'd probably have to be an advanced collector of J. A. Collins bottles to even come close to figuring it out.

 

[andy volkerts]

Thanks for all the info Bob. The soda water bottle that you pictured in your first post is the one I found, there is no dating whatsoever on the bottle anywhere. it is machine made so I would date it at between 1910 1930s I picked it up for 2 dollars, so I guess that was not too much! And yes Hayward is on the east side of San Francisco bay just south of Oakland and San Leandro. I also found a haywards Hutchinson on flea bay currently listed and some of the info said that the co changed hands in 1910 but still was called Haywards soda works..........Andy

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy I'm glad I could be of some help. I enjoy a good mystery. I've seen some of the accounts that claim Haywards Soda Works changed ownership in 1910, but I'm confident they are incorrect and that 1910 was when the name was changed to Hayward Soda Works Company. Even though I don't have any solid evidence to prove it, I'm leaning toward the Simons biography as being accurate in that S. J. Simons bought the bottling works in the early 1890s. I'm not sure of the exact date when Simons took over, but I do know he was involved at least as early as ... The Daily Review ~ Hayward, California ~ June 7, 1901 (So far this is the earliest date I have found connecting S. J. "Sam" Simons to the bottling works) [attachment=Hayward Soda Works...01 (1150x1000).jpg]

 

[andy volkerts]

So if you are correct and 1910 is the date of the name change, that would make my bottle pre 1910 ish, which is great! that falls into one of the categories that I collect, bay area bottles that are at least 100 yrs old. Many thanks for the info, I don't know how you guys do all that research! I went online for an hour, and all I found was the hutch for sale on flea bay!............Andy

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy I wouldn't count your chickens just yet. Your Haward's bottle (with an apostrophe) is definitely a deco style and almost certainly was made between the early 1920s and late 1930s.

 

[andy volkerts]

Oh well just 5 yrs to go, I can wait LOL..........Andy