Old Beer and a BIM

[bottlerocket]

I was out walking the pup today and really had no intention of bottle hinting (yeah right) and visited a park that was a residential area years ago.
At first I noticed a brilliant blue bottom of a bottle sticking out of an ash pile. As I pulled it out I was surprised to see it in tact. It had such a beautiful bluish tint to it. Plenty of seeds and an awesome crackling pattern throughout the bottle. I am not sure if this is a natural effect over years in the ground, heat, or type of glass but it is a keeper.
I believe it has a Phoenix style lip.
It is a GEO J RENNER pure beer AKRON O.
I have another in my collection I found last year but this one is much bluer than the other one.
I am thinking 1900-1920? Maybe earlier.

The other bottle I found was about 12" from the beer. At first I thought it was an ABM cork top so I actually threw it back down. After second thoughts, I picked it up and sure enough, it was a BIM. Looks to be an applied top. 24-S-B on the bottom.
I am thinking 1890-1920.
Both keepers in my book.

What do you think?

Photos not uploading from my phone so I will attach another way,

 

[bottlerocket]

Ok it looks like these uploaded after I emailed them to myself, saved, and posted from my iPad. ENJOY

 

[TedNuggent]

I like that beer. Just enough blue to make it count! []

 

[ScottBSA]

Hi, I have a bunch of different Renner and other Akron bottles. I think the Phoenix closure was no earlier than 1904. I have a hand-tooled crown Renner or two. That would lead me to believe that they only used this style of closure for a few years. If you like, I'll check the makers marks on my Renner bottles to see if they are from the same company. Scott

 

[bottlerocket]

Sure Scott. Thanks

 

[sunrunner]

you don't see phoenix much after the 1900s crowns had taken over my 1912 or so.

 

[ScottBSA]

Bottlerocket,Checked the Renner bottles and here's the rundown. My 12oz loop seal bottle is from Rhodes Glass and bottle, making after 1900. My phoenix 12 ouncer has W G Co on the base so it is open to two or three companies. Here's you research problem which of them made phoenix closure bottles. My quart loop seal bottle is from E H Everet company, the quart phoenix and hand tooled crowns are from C G Co, so it could be either Coshocton or Canton, Ohio.It seems that several companies used WG Co and several used C G Co so unless someone out there has a catalog from these companies, it might be hard to figure out which company made them. I would gather that because the phoenix and HTC are from the same company, they only used the phoenix for a short while. I also have a machine made bottle, but I think it is a post prohibition bottle. The loop seal bottles may be the earliest as they didn't start bottling until like 1900.BTW are you from Akron? Scott

 

[bottlerocket]

Yes I am. Good info BTW. I have a few Renners crown and phoenix, Akron Bottling Co. Pre-prohibition beer bottles, Big Guy soda Decos, milks from Akron Pure Milk, People's, Mount Rose (which I think is Montrose now), North Hill Dairy, Perfection Dairy, Akron Coca Colas and other Akron bottles. Thanks for the info.