OWENS-ILLINOIS MARK 4285G ~ WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR?

[bottleopop]

I found this link to a person asking Digger Odell about a Keno bottle.
Go down a bit on that page to see the third bottle picture. The article gives the O-I numbers. 9 and 0 It also gives the G-number as G 6079.
The one I mentioned in my earlier post was about the 12oz that I have. I also have the 24oz like the one pictured in this link but, although mine is an Owens-Illinois bottle, it has no G-number on it. It's OI numbers are 9 and 1. over 1. so that's a 1941, according to current theory, with my 12oz likely being a 1940, although there's no . after the 0.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

bop ~

Unless there is something specific known about a particular brand, such as when they started operation, etc; the single-digit O-I dates are a tough nut to crack. Because O-I began operation in 1929, there is a possibility the dates mentioned for the Keno bottles could either be 1930/1940 or 1931/1941. Its hard to say.

I heard back from David (whose email address says Russell but last name is Whitten) and here's what he had to say [ unedited ]

Hello Bob,

I have to be honest and say "I don't know". I am only a casual collector of soda bottles, and I've noticed that I have a few bottles with the G codes, but I believe all of them are from the 1940s or 1950s. You probably already are close to knowing the earliest date. probably not far away from 1937. Just don't know, so I won't hazard a guess.

Sorry I can't be of any help. I will keep my eye out for bottles with the G codes and pay more attention!

Have you tried searching ebay auctions? (not especially for buying, but just to scan for info, typing in search terms such as: soda owens bottle "G-1*" [or other numeral] and checking "title and description".

I just looked through some that I have. I have a Grapette bottle, with the code G-927, this has a date code of 46. , made at Streator, Il plant. So I think 1946 is the oldest one I have. which isn't saying much!

Take care,
David Whitten
Clarksville, Indiana
davidrussell59@att.net

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I just realized something ...

I was mistaken about the G Code on the 1935 amber 7up bottle I posted earlier. I thought it was 4742-G, but its not. It has the same code as my 1937 green 7up. Which is ...

4243-G

Same Style and Shape, but definitely a different color. So we can eliminate "color" from being a factor.

Look close at both bottles.

[ Amber 1935 ]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

[ Green 1937 ]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

PS ~

If someone can tell me where Owens-Illinois plant #24 was located I will send you a free acl book. But don't rack your brain because I have looked until I was blue in the face. I'm pretty sure it was a mould department typo. Notice around the edges where it is clearly embossed with Los Angeles. The plant number for L.A. was #23, not #24.

Bob

 

[bottleopop]

Mansfield, Mass.

 

[bottleopop]

On this website is a photo of a Crystal Club bottle on page 9 that looks just like the one I have that's marked Crystal Club: G8575: 3 and 4 over 1
So far, I believe it's a 1934, especially considering the patent date of 1929.

 

[bottleopop]

Holy Toledo!
This would be quite the place to visit!
Note the item listed at the bottom of page 200.

That was the index. Here is the pretty page:
http://www.utoledo.edu/library/canaday/exhibits/oi/OIExhibit/MainPage.htm

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Bob ~

Those are great links. I have them in my files and posted them on the forum Soda Bottle Research links back in September.

As for the O-I plant #24 in Mansfield, something about the dates doesn't seem to jive. As near as I can determine that plant wasn't aquired/built until 1973. My 7up bottle is dated 1937. Show proof of a 1937 plant #24 and the acl book is yours.

Mansfield, Mass. June 1973

http://reference.insulators.info/publications/view/?id=13195

1975

http://drc.ohiolink.edu/handle/2374.UTOL/134?rpp=20&sort_by=-1&etal=-1&type=author&zsort_by=-1&restrict=false&zrestrict=false&order=ASC&value=Owens-Illinois,%20Inc.&zrpp=20&zorder=ASC&zetal=-1&starts_with=C&zstarts_with=O&ztype=author&focusscope=2374.OX/170673&mode=browse

Thanks.

Bob

 

[bottleopop]

Bob, I doubt there ever was a OI bottle plant #24, at least not back then. []

This site says the first production run in Mansfield was in 1975.