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Sharp pontiled crude black glass bottle.

ROBBYBOBBY64

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I was wondering because i don't know black glass that great,, is there anyone who might know what age bracket this type is from. I got this crude super dark amber black glass. Loads of bubbles. Bottom is wavy and the bottle wobbles like crazy. It has a very sharp pontil on the bottom. Hope you like.
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treeguyfred

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Robby, that is a way cool oldie! Harry gave us some terrific info! My first black glass bottle I got by crawling under the 20" crawl space under my Grandma's 1730's house in Limerock, CT. Way back when I was ten and her house was being renovated. The contractors jacked the whole sprawling added upon house up 20" in order to put a modern foundation under it. That was in 1976. No-one said boo about a skinny long haired rascal crawling on his belly under there for exploring purposes. I was under there for probably 2- 3 hours... getting "stuck" a few times and having to belly back up and renavigate. I found two marbles (there were probably far more than that But, I wasn't really looking for them... didn't even really know back then about antique playing marbles :oops: ) I found a C. Cleminshaw Troy NY squat blobtop applied lip smooth base aqua. And, I found two black glass cylinders with the milky blue improved refired grafite pontil. well, one is a cylinder, one is an ale possibly or stout.
So, where did you get yours? do you have others? I like the shape of yours, I believe they call that shape a mallet... I don't know if that was industry term or collecting hobbyist term. ... Harry? OPmustard? Leon? Saratogadriver? anyone?
~Fred
 

ROBBYBOBBY64

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Jan 11, 2020
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New Jersey
Robby, that is a way cool oldie! Harry gave us some terrific info! My first black glass bottle I got by crawling under the 20" crawl space under my Grandma's 1730's house in Limerock, CT. Way back when I was ten and her house was being renovated. The contractors jacked the whole sprawling added upon house up 20" in order to put a modern foundation under it. That was in 1976. No-one said boo about a skinny long haired rascal crawling on his belly under there for exploring purposes. I was under there for probably 2- 3 hours... getting "stuck" a few times and having to belly back up and renavigate. I found two marbles (there were probably far more than that But, I wasn't really looking for them... didn't even really know back then about antique playing marbles :oops: ) I found a C. Cleminshaw Troy NY squat blobtop applied lip smooth base aqua. And, I found two black glass cylinders with the milky blue improved refired grafite pontil. well, one is a cylinder, one is an ale possibly or stout.
So, where did you get yours? do you have others? I like the shape of yours, I believe they call that shape a mallet... I don't know if that was industry term or collecting hobbyist term. ... Harry? OPmustard? Leon? Saratogadriver? anyone?
~Fred
That explains alot! Lol! Where would you be without those first finds. I love your story. Typical of the times no doubt. I remember making a ramp with boards and cinderblock. We used to jump everything including garbage cans and friends. We never got even so much as a warning. No helmets, elbowed or kneepads. As long as we wanted and didn't kill ourselves anything was game. Even light parachuting off the garage with my bed sheet. I could go on for hour about the crazy things I did. Thanks for the memories.
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Harry Pristis

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And, I found two black glass cylinders with the milky blue improved refired grafite pontil. well, one is a cylinder, one is an ale possibly or stout.
So, where did you get yours? do you have others? I like the shape of yours, I believe they call that shape a mallet... I don't know if that was industry term or collecting hobbyist term. ... Harry? OPmustard? Leon? Saratogadriver? anyone?
~Fred
What an opportunity to recover some early bottles!

Here are some examples which address your questions:

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The milky color is called glassgall. It is a chemical transferred to the bottle from the pontil rod. The source is crushed clinkers from the furnace which is used as a separator layer on the pontil rod (IOW, a "sand" pontil).

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treeguyfred

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Mar 9, 2013
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Northern N.J.
Thank you so much Harry! wow what a wealth of pertinent information! I'm 55 and made a new wrinkle in the wet, smoked grey matter today! so, to clarify... "improved, refired, graphite pontil" is erroneous info? I'm trying to clarify and/or correct my bottle knowledge. :)
~Fred
 

treeguyfred

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Mar 9, 2013
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Northern N.J.
So, I rummaged around, but it wasn't too hard to find them. I dusted them off and snapped some pics of my first pontiled bottles. And black glass no less.... these set my interest for quite a few years, almost exclusively on bottles.
LOL... Until, while hunting for bottles..... I saw and found antique insulators! (but that's a completely different story)
~Fred
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