WAS COCA COLA INVENTED IN VALENCIA, SPAIN ?

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here is another interesting wikipedia article about "Vin Mariani" which, apparently, Pemberton did acknowledge as having been an influence for Coca Cola ... and likely responsible for where he came up with the name ...

"Pemberton's French Wine Cola."

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Mariani

[ Vin Mariani poster - 1894 ]

 

[cc6pack]

Bob

No one is exactly sure when Pemberton came up with the formula for Coke. I've read where it was in Columbus, before he moved to Atlanta and so on. I tend to believe he more or less ripped of the Vin Mariani formula. I've never seen any dates for the Pembertons coca wine, but I know it dates before 1886. I've seen an 1885 date for his coca wine ad. It's hard to fine anything about Pemberton and Coke, because Candler destroyed all of his papers when he acquired the Coke formula.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

This is primarily addressed to members epackage and/or celerycola ...

Please tell us more about what you know regarding the "Kent and Patterson" connection to all of this. That is, if there is a connection. I am still researching other aspects, and thought one or both of you might like to comment and share what you have found.

Thanks a lot.

SPBOB

Additionally ... (For all members)

Please consider the following as more food for thought ...

1. No doubt Pemberton got the basic formula from somewhere.
2. But experimented/improved upon and/or changed it.
3. By adding carbonated water if nothing else.
4. But did he really invent it?
5. And did he ever "officially" acknowledge anyone?
6. Most good ideas are simply "improvements" on other good ideas.
7. But what about the later to be formed "Coca Cola Company?"
8. Did they have anything to hide?
9. And did they actually buy the patent from the original family in 1953?
10. And is there documented evidence involving any legal disputes?

Lots of questions - few answers!

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

cc6pack ~

Thanks a million! That's a great contribution! The Pemberton Coca Wine ad is one I have not seen yet. It's fantastic!

SPBOB

 

[epackage]

Bob all I really know is what it says in this link, I wish I knew how to post the actual words instead of the link but I have trouble trying to do it from Google Books sometimes...Jim

http://books.google.com/books?id=bSAChoqpnHUC&lpg=PA58&ots=JuPhiUcjbg&dq=benjamin%20kent%20coca&pg=PA58#v=onepage&q=benjamin%20kent%20coca&f=false

 

[epackage]

still can't post the actual text......grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr[]

 

[epackage]

Kent had one heck of a store going, wish I could find some pic's, I may have to go to the historical society and see what I can find.....there is this little blurb I found from 1892...

One Of The Largest of Puffer's Soda Fountains ever made is now being placed in the store of Benjamin Kent, at Paterson, N. J. It is 17 feet in length, has 16 drafts for waters and 40 syrup cans of 3 gallons capacity. The selection of marbles and onyx are choice and so beautifully blended as to make it a work of art.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Jim ~

What you posted is good enough for now. We can read through it and see what can be gleaned from it. Mainly I'm looking for some connection to Valencia, Spain and see if anyone ever gave them credit for anything. It's likely as cc6pack suggested ... that somebody ripped somebody off!

SPBOB

 

[epackage]

..and this from when he tried to patent the name...in 1889


16.209. —Nerve Tonic And Stimulaxt.—Benjamin Kent, Paterson, N.J. Application filed December 8,1888. Used since June 1, 1888.

"The word ' Coca-cola.""

 

[cc6pack]

Bob

Pemberton did form the Coca Cola Co. The problem is who actually has the rights to it in the late 80's. In his will he left it to his son, an alcoholic. He also sold his drug business to a druggist from South Georgia which should have his Coke formula included. There was also another group he sold it to and this is where Candler comes into the picture. Coke has been in court for legal issues from the begining I guess it's just their nature.[]

I've got some more Pemberton ads if you'd like t see them, his other businesses, his ad for selling the drug store, and other stuff. It will take me some time to find them.