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Are these rough bases on these early bottles pontils?

PlaneDiggerCam

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Sep 4, 2017
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Southeastern CT, U.S.A.
I dug these last weekend and am confused on the bases of them. Some appear to have a rough texture, and I was wondering if that any would be an example of a polished, sand pontil, etc. I'm fairly new to this particular age of stuff and would really like some help. I'd also like a provided rough age range for each.

1. Johnson's American Anodyne Linement (Inward rolled lip)
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2. Howe & Stevens Family Dyes Colors (Sloppy double collar)
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3. Early med (Large bubble sloppy applied top and heavily whittled)
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I'm just confused on these becusse they are not easily identifiable like an open pontil or iron pontil and are sort of different from a usual smooth base.

Thanks,
PlaneDiggerCam
 

sandchip

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Sep 1, 2008
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Georgia
I agree with the above responses, and would only add that your bottles appear to have been blown in post-bottom molds. The post helped to better align the mold halves when closed during the blowing process than those blown in what is commonly referred to as hinge molds (they were all hinged) where the mold line goes straight across the bottom of the bottle. Then you get into the keyed-bottom molds, some of which look like a post-bottom, but what looks like the post is actually integral to one of the mold halves. Can't really tell which in 1 & 3 from the pics, but 2 seems to be blown in neither, but rather in a cup-bottom mold, but once again, hard to tell for sure without it in hand. Hope all my drivel makes sense.
 

brent little

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Jan 19, 2016
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Early stuff for sure. American bottles stopped using pontils about ten years prior to Canadian bottles. Ours was 1862. Your bottles are post pontiled era. Around 1860's to easrly 70's .Very cool stuff.
 

Harry Pristis

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Jul 24, 2003
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Northcentral Florida
Nice bottles, however they were blown.
I think 1 & 3 are blown in post bottom molds, but Sandchip makes a keen observation about #2:
"but 2 seems to be blown in neither, but rather in a cup-bottom mold, but once again, hard to tell for sure without it in hand."
I see no seam around the bottle at its heel to indicate a cup mold. Conversely, I see no tell-tale hinge seams leading to the depression in the base which would indicate a post bottom mold.
 

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