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jerrypev

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A friend gave me this George Schaumloeffell bottle dug in Trenton, NJ last year. George was a German immigrant who migrated in 1882. He became one of the more successful later German brewers and bottlers in Trenton, NJ, his business lasting up to prohibition.
What's more interesting about this bottle from about 1890 is the "squat" style, usually more associated with the 1850s and 60s. Though the style was still popular up through the mid 1870s the style was rarely used after 1880. It brings up the issue of accurately dating bottles. I spend some time the last two years doing some research into how to accurately date Victorian era bottles. Shape I found isn't an accurate dating method. The 1850s was the hey day of blue sodas. Green was very popular during the 1840s, 50s, 60s but generally disappeared by the 1880s. Some areas of the country like the south east carried older styles up through the 1880s.
Applied lips appear on bottles up through the mid 1890s. Applied tooled lips are common as early as the 1860s. But completely tooled lips don't appear until the about the mid 1880s.
The jury isn't out on pontiling. Glass houses were very secretive about their methods. There is very little reliable documentation on glass making techniques for common bottles of the mid Victorian era. Definitely glass houses were producing pontil and not pontiled versions of the same bottles during the same time period. I have an example or two blown in the same mold.


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That's a cool bottle! I am able to date bottles from around here based on a combination of physical features. I can cross reference my guess with the years the company was in business to be absolutely certain, but just by looks, I can date most Essex county bottles to within about 5 years. This, of course, doesn't include Newark.

I do like squat bottles. All the blobs from around here have fairly regular shapes, so no squats yet. Seeing a NJ squat from the 1890's gives me hope that I could find one.
 

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You're on the road, Wheel.. that's for sure!
I bought a Schaumloeffel just like this from Mr Grotz a couple years ago.. have a few of this type (blob and crown) and have often pondered this peculiar 'retro-squat' phenomenon.. I'm really enjoying your posts, Jerry.. hope you stick around, take your coat off, and make yourself at home here .. !
 

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I also found that contents didn't usually define the style of a bottle. Bottlers used different shaped blue, green aqua and amber bottles for mineral water. The only beer bottle style generally consistent with shape was Weiss beer. Weiss beer bottles are usually a recognizable shape even when not embossed "Weiss Beer".
Salt glazed stoneware bottles were used consistently for mead up to about 1870. But other products were also bottled in stoneware bottles, sarsaparilla for instance.
Picture: Camden, NJ Weiss beer from about 1900 featuring the "pony" style.

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WA French Red Bank, NJ
The ultimate late "squat" style in crown top in amber and green, about 1900

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I save various images of NJ bottles for reference but when posting on this forum try to use only bottles I have found or in some cases bought. The example of the green WA French pictured above I realized is an image taken from the Internet but the amber French is definitely mine bought at the South River, NJ Bottle Show.
 

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George Schaumloeffell

Hey Jerry,

Nice one, really fills up the plate mould. I think you ought'a get extra points for any surname of 14 letters or better.

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