Henry William Stiegel Amethyst Flask

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George Ingraham

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While on my daily hunt for snuff bottles, came across this bottle.. At the time, was pretty sure it was not a snuff bottle. Thought it could be a scent bottle.

What was confusing, was the ground beveling to the neck/throat. The rest of the bottle seemed so nicely done, that this rather crude beveling did not make any sense. Thought that perhaps it originally had a flared type that perhaps got damaged some how and someone ground it down in an effort to make it look better.

Any way.. Learned last night just exactly what this is ! Then to top it off, starting to see the potential value based on others I found online !

It is quite a bit smaller than the average flask.. At about 2 3/4" tall. The smallest I have found was 4".

It also took me a while to explain why some have a concave base, and others like mine are flat.

Quote from Wikipedia.

A Pontil mark or punt mark is the scar where the pontil, punty or punt was broken from a work of blown glass. The presence of such a scar indicates that a glass bottle or bowl was blown freehand, while the absence of a punt mark suggests either that the mark has been obliterated or that the work was mold-blown.[1]

Some glassblowers grind a hollow into the base of their work, obliterating the natural punt scar. Where the base of the work is sufficiently heavy, the entire natural base can be sawed or ground flat. Where the base of the work is concave, after the punt has been broken from the work, the punt may be used to attach a small gather of hot glass over the punt scar, into which a maker's mark is impressed.

I am sure excited to say the least..

Now that I know it is not a Chinese type snuff bottle, am going to try and figure out the best way to sell it.. Any portion of what I think the value is will sure let me add several new Chinese snuff bottles to my collection !

I especially wanted to share it with you guys on this forum, because this is the type of bottle many of you have a great deal of expertise with.

So comments, and yes.., validation would be greatly appreciated !

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Hi George! Beautiful piece but absolutely not 18th century Stiegel. Wish I had better news!
 

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Oh gosh Jeff !

Did not take long for someone to rain on my happy day Stiegel parade ! [:D]

So what is it then Jeff ?

It seems to have so many charactoristics of a Stiegel flask..
 

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I don't think it is a Clevenger Brothers Chicken wire bottle mold.It looks like someones eles own modern interpretation of a Stiegel bottle. George it should look like this if it was an authentic Stiegel flask.

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George here are some shards from Stiegels glass works.

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2. Stiegels main output was green bottle glass.

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Here is authentic Stiegel pocket flask.It is plain but the glass is very thin. This was obtained in Manheim.It was part of a collection that descended down from one of Stiegels enamelers.To date I have purchased about 25 pieces from the collection.

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Stiegel glass is very collectable and is under collected in our hobby. You can still find glass shards from the Manheim glass works right under and around the Subway store Located on West Stiegel street in present day Manheim.
 

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I have searched high and low for any kind of modern bottle that even slightly resmebles the one I have.. I can not find anything..

I think we can assume that it is a mold blown glass ?

Would a fair description be a "William Steigel style" ?

Steve...

Although green was the main color of glass put out by Stiegel, I am finding a whole lot of these in Amethyst color..

What one or two things eliminate this one from potentially being an early mold blown glass ?

You guys are the experts with these kind of bottles, and I truly do not mean to be stuck on thinking this to at least be an early mold blown glass.. , I am just seeing so many like this with the same color, diamond mold, neck shape, and beveled throat opening, that can't help but keep taking a double take when comparing them to mine..
 

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