PACIFIC COAST GLASS WORKS/COMPANY ~ SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA ~ CONFUSING MAKERS MARKS

[SODAPOPBOB]

This is a spin-off from member Andy Volkerts thread I participated in regarding his Haywards Soda Works deco bottle. During the course of that discussion it was disclosed that Andy's bottle was made by the Pacific Coast Glass Works of San Francisco and marked with a PC in a Triangle. In this new discussion I am going to attempt to make sense of their various marks and see if I can attribute appropriate dates to their numerous marks. For starters, here's the link to Andy's thread ... https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/new-soda-bottle-find-m685079.aspx ~ * ~ Which brings us to this list of the various marks used by the Pacific Coast Glass Works/Company so as to familiarize yourself with the task that lay before me. Here's the link where this list can be found ... Scroll to P/C http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/bottlemarks-4/ [ul][*]P/C in duo-segmented parallelogram ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was introduced in 1919, and used on ware until about 1930. Source on 1919 date: Peterson (1968:49).[*]P/C in a square ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, California (1925-1930). This mark was used possibly as early as 1919, but was definitely in use by 1925. See other “P.C.” entries.[*]P C in a triangle ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). Mark was first used in either 1919 or 1925.[*]P.C ... Pacific Coast Glass Works (1902-1925) and it’s successor Pacific Coast Glass Company, San Francisco, CA (1925-1930). The PC mark probably dates from either 1919, or 1925, and on up to 1930.[*]P.C.G.W ... Pacific Coast Glass Works, San Francisco, CA (1902-1925). See “P.C.” marks.[/ul] ( To be continued )

 

[andy volkerts]

Hello Bob. I have since found my issue of Early Glassworks of California by Warren Friedrich, (I had misshelved it in the many bookcases we have in the house, and I have been looking for it for several days) I will check and see if warren has any marks or dates for their marks, as it is pretty comprehensive in scope..........Andy

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy 10-4 / Thanks ... I'm looking forward to see what your book has to say.

 

[andy volkerts]

Disapointing to say the least, Warren doesn't mention any history newer than 1900, and that was the end of the San Francisco and pacific glassworks, no mention of the Pacific coast glassworks at all, to new.....Andy

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Andy Thanks for checking anyway. I'm not sure either what I'm going to come up with. This might prove to be my most challenging research project ever attempted - lots of confusing and contradictory information to sort through. Based on the makers marks websites I'm familiar with, they all show the Pacific Coast Glass Works in San Francisco with a starting date of 1902. With that said, I'm trying to make sense of this article that mentions Pacific Coast Glass works and a horrible accident that occurred on Thanksgiving day in November of 1900. I have several more articles I intend to post about this tragic event and welcome comments in the hope of trying to determine exactly which glass factory it occurred at. From ... The Oxnard Courier ~ Oxnard, California ~ December 1, 1900 [attachment=Pacific Coast Glas...tle (860x1050).jpg] [attachment=Pacific Coast Glas...900 (536x1050).jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Please read these articles about the 1900 Thanksgiving day tragedy to familiarize yourselves with the event and where it occurred ...
Article w/Pictures
http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/sudden-death-boys-fell-to-their-doom-in-sfs-forgotten-disaster/Content?oid=2186046

Article w/Pictures
https://medium.com/@stanfordmag/the-big-game-disaster-1900-e34db0c3f646#.um35k8ofe

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[SODAPOPBOB]

And there's this from a 1910 San Francisco directory which clearly shows that the Illinois-Pacific Glass Company and the Pacific Coast Glass Company were two different companies located at two different locations. For future reference please make note of the addresses ... Illinois-Pacific Glass Co. @ Fifteenth & Folsom Pacific Coast Glass Co. @ Seventh & Irwin [attachment=Pacific Coast Glas... 7th and Irwin.jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

For those who might be confused by this initial entry, I'm trying to determine exactly what glass factory the 1900 accident occurred at. The most confusing part for me is with the names and the inclusion of the word "Coast" in some of the articles and the lack of the word "Coast" in others. In other words, I trying to distinguish the difference between ... Pacific Glass Works and ... Pacific Coast Glass Works If you read the articles I posted links to, you probably noticed the following where they said ...
First Article ...

"... the nearly completed San Francisco and Pacific Glass Works, just across the street from the ballpark. The plant occupied an entire block between Folsom and Harrison on 15th Street, and was slated to commence full production the following Monday."

Second Article ...

"The final Thanksgiving game in San Francisco was to be held in the heart of the Mission District, then a largely working-class neighborhood dense with Irish and German families, and home to a new industrial site, the San Francisco and Pacific Glass Works, which loomed over the field’s north side."

Which brings us to this newspaper article from ...

The Evening Sentinel ~ Santa Cruz, California ~ December 1, 1900

Where it says ...

"Pacific Glass Works on Fifteen Street, near Folsom"

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[SODAPOPBOB]

Now that everyone is up to speed and have seen the numerous addresses for the glass factory accident as having occurred at ... "Fifteenth & Folsom" ... please show me a single reference among everything I've already posted where it even once mentions the name "Illinois" as in the "Illinois-Pacific Glass" [attachment=Pacific Coast Glas... 7th and Irwin.jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Now for the fun part! This link is to the most comprehensive bottle website I'm aware of and is titled ... Historical Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website https://sha.org/bottle/makersmarks.htm It was created by Bill Lindsey (Retired) but still maintained as of September, 2015 The link opens to a page (scroll down) where you will find an alphabetical listing with a title of ... Makers Markings Logo Tables Click on the 'I' listings for every variation of "Illinois-Pacific Glass" and also on the 'P' listings for every variation of "Pacific Coast Glass" and see if you can find a single makers mark that will account for the glass factory in San Francisco where the accident occurred in 1900. Unless I'm missing something, the closest date I can find for either company is 1902. But if 1902 is the earliest date, then how do we explain the well documented event that occurred in 1900? ( To be continued )