PROHIBITION ALCOHOL

[cordilleran]

Morb:

Prohibition was the result of seeking the "New Man"; a dream of the Progressive Movement. These were the same folks who proffered eugenics, i.e. electroconvulsive shock therapy, cerebral leucotomy, and prefrontal lobotomy.

 

[morbious_fod]

Been listening to Glenn Beck huh? LOL! I'm sure that the progressive movement of the time was involved, which falls into the "those who wish to dictate how we live our lives" group; however, the major force behind the temperance movement was religious organizations, who were more interested in saving us from ourselves whether we wanted them to or not. It all comes down to a certain portion of the population deciding that they have the responsibility, calling, and right to dictate to others how they live their lives. This idea can't be relegated only to certain groups, because you can throw in little Jimmy's mom who feels that the rest of the world should take over her parental responsibilities by changing the way the rest of us live in order to make little Jimmy safe.

Most recent idiocy being the recommendation that was handed down for the changing of the shape of hot dogs so kids won't choke on them, when in reality their jabbering on cell phone soccer moms should be cutting up their wieners for them or just not feeding them hot dogs in the first place if they are so frightened that their little bundles of disease might choke on one. Never mind that they put their kids in more danger jabbering mindlessly on their brain tumor creating communication device while driving! Hot dogs and other organ meats have been made the way they have for thousands of years, and if some end up dying because they weren't smart enough not to swallow them whole, well you know what Darwin said, survival of the fittest. Of course we have endeavored to stop mother nature from carrying out her process of natural selection then ask stupidly why this country is getting dumber and dumber.

 

[blobbottlebob]

Hey Morb,

One slight point of contention. I agree that the government poisoned industrial alcohol and that people shouldn't have been drinking it. However, they wouldn't have been drinking it if the goverment hadn't forced them to. Furthermore, the goverment intentionally poisoned this stuff to harm (or even kill) those who imbibed it. Absolutely criminal!

The article suggested at one point that these industrial alcohols could have been treated so that they tasted bad. What a far more reasonable solution. The bad taste would have been an effective deterrant that was not deadly in its consequences. It is very troublesome that the government first determined that a (relatively*) harmless activity was illegal, then decided it was okay to use deadly force on those who broke their regulations. That is horrendous.

I'm pretty sure that you can't billy-club someone for running a traffic light. This punishment was more severe for a lesser offense.

*I do realize that alcohol can and does ruin people lives. That is largely what fueled temperance. However, my point is that the punsihment should have some proportion to the crime.

 

[athometoo]

they should have employed active army volunteers to guard the industrial alcohol . that or mixing syrup of epickak as a deterrent . sorry on the spelling . anyway throwing up all of what you just drank kinda defeats the purpose of drinking it to begin with . there was other courses that could have been taken with out the heavyhand . jmo sam

 

[morbious_fod]

ORIGINAL: blobbottlebob

Hey Morb,

One slight point of contention. I agree that the government poisoned industrial alcohol and that people shouldn't have been drinking it. However, they wouldn't have been drinking it if the goverment hadn't forced them to. Furthermore, the goverment intentionally poisoned this stuff to harm (or even kill) those who imbibed it. Absolutely criminal!

The article suggested at one point that these industrial alcohols could have been treated so that they tasted bad. What a far more reasonable solution. The bad taste would have been an effective deterrant that was not deadly in its consequences. It is very troublesome that the government first determined that a (relatively*) harmless activity was illegal, then decided it was okay to use deadly force on those who broke their regulations. That is horrendous.

I'm pretty sure that you can't billy-club someone for running a traffic light. This punishment was more severe for a lesser offense.

*I do realize that alcohol can and does ruin people lives. That is largely what fueled temperance. However, my point is that the punsihment should have some proportion to the crime.

I being the government dis-truster that I am, am very much outraged by their extreme form of punishment; however, they didn't force anyone to drink industrial alcohol, the law breakers themselves did that.You can't just blame the government for the actions taken by individual citizens, they made the law; however, the bootleggers and other lawbreakers took it upon themselves to use industrial alcohol in an illegal manner. These same law breakers also knew the risks of drinking this homemade stuff. My point was that the article made those who drank the illegal hooch out to be innocent victims of some imperial government plot, when in reality the poisoning could have been avoided if both the government and the consumers of illegal hooch weren't both in the wrong. Don't get up in arms blaming one when they are both to blame for this tragedy.

 

[cordilleran]

Morb:

Long before Beck and others were anticipating the direction this country was taking I foretold of the three "N's" (Negrification, Nullification, and Necrotization) (1985). Guess what. Sad fact is that there are a few people that given natural gifts of reflective, deductive thought build upon that bastion long beyond their tender teen years. Certainly such scrofflaws are fitting candidates for public office fostering a progressive agenda.

Understand that with the progressive agenda there exists an elitist mindset presupposing that the regular guy lacks the cerebral wherewithal to decide what is best for him and his family. We are nothing more than bullocks who need the careful attendance of an all-powerful government to steer us toward the utopian watering hole. Goddamn, I am for more and more laws, especially those regulating the excavation and removal of "antiquities". Are you in?

The so-called progressive movement was borne on the backs of bomb-throwers and assassins more than 100 years ago. Garfield was a target. McKinley was a target. Archduke Ferdinand was a target propelling the world into its first world war. Progressives thrive in revolution and legislating how you'll live your life and at what cost. If there isn't a war be it class war, race war, economic war or armed war, they'll spark the motivation behind the impetus of war. Such an unsettling state fuels further compunction on your freedoms. Such a state of unsated unwarranted agitation bespeaks an unbalanced mind. Utopian socialism is not a new phenomenon as it has failed miserably over the last 120 years. In its wake it has left hundreds of millions of people dead, maimed or economically disenfranchized. What a nouveau concept. Sign me UP!

So why would someone, apparently mentally balanced, well-off financially, educated and leading a productive life of self-determination cast it all upon the funeral pype of self-annihilation? Such concepts work best among ignorant, third-world peoples. Certainly there are several answers depending upon whom you address this question.

From the psychsociological standpoint this much is true -- the Achilles Heel of humanity resides in its long-term memory cranial catbox.

People do not learn from their mistakes. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (Google it. The august APA body is currently mulling over entry revisions), one of the hallmarks of psychopathic behavior is not learning from previous mistakes. I subscribe to you that the majority of folks suffer from this fatal myopia. The few that can follow trends are lambasted. Humans are inherently psychopathic to a lesser degree and those that excell in their psychopathy without too many obvious pratfalls become Mussolini, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, FDR and most notably and recently Obama, the latter being not too accomplished for the long haul toward his totalitarian objectives.

With the reformation of utopian ideology brought to a modern interpretation, breaking down the bastions of long-standing social propriety: religion, nuclear family cohesion, free trade and self-determination, one is left with a free-for-all of situation ethics. If the situation justiifes MY ends (as an individual) then be-damned with all the others. Need I say that there exists a palpable difference in social interaction now than there was even a scant few years ago? Understand this. Statism is the cornerstone of liberal thought. Traditional religion cannot compete with the religion of state. One must be eliminated in this survival of the fittest concept (humanism). Ultimately, the state garners absolute control and regulation of such picayune spiritual matters and either destroys religious edifices or replaces them with state sponsored pseudo-religious mythothologies.

The majority of Americans are neither liberally educated nor experienced in the hardships of reality. Sure we lead the world in sheepskins, but ask the average scholar a question they should know in their discipline and watch them falter. Ideological indoctrination is the path of least resistance and one leading to an advanced degree. Don't question instruction and parrot the instructor's mantra and you gotta "A"!

Easy street. That's the designation I subscribe to 99-percent of Americans. They've never gone a day, much less a week, without food. They've never had to live by their wits without shelter. They've never had to deal with death straight-up. They've never had to fight over turf. They don't have to. They do it vicariously therough the cinema. Fantasy Island is alive and well among the sidewalk warriors of America.

Whether you voice your concern or not, you feel a little more unease right now that you did say, 18 months ago. There's a reason for this collective sense of nihilism and it's more than the economy, stupid. But wait! Don't leave the Big Top just yet. The Dog and Pony show just ended but you did come to see The Elephant, didn't you? You paid the price and you'll get your full measure of this circus extravaganza. The extreme weather outside is just a diversion. There's monkeys a-many and clown's a-plenty and you, dear traveller, are the main attraction!

 

[DJFALLS]

I'm gonna regret this cause they're gonna kick me off the forum but you are a total nut case.

 

[morbious_fod]

The only reason that I mentioned Beck is that he has went head long into the "Progressive Conspiracy" dogma as of late. I personally will listen to any conspiracy and then make my own mind up as to whether or not to believe what the proponents claim after I have done some research of my own. One thing that I ran into recently while listening to Glen Beck, was a situation where he was "pressured" into interviewing Debra Medina who is running for the Texas Governorship, and proceeded to beat the "She's a 911 truther" point into the ground. He completely dismissed the woman, because she seems to believe a conspiracy theory where the government took down the twin towers. Saying she was a possible dangerous person to have around the government or the president due to this belief. The interesting bit is that he has been spouting his own "Progressive Conspiracy" which basically mirrors your own view of how ultimately the conspiracy is culminating in the form of Barack Obama. So using his logic shouldn't he be ostracized or locked up because Obama is the focal point of his conspiracy rantings? Couldn't his beliefs be deemed just as dangerous to the government as Medina? Don't throw stones at conspiracy theorists when you have your own, because those stones may be coming back at you.

My point is basically that Beck with his "Progressive Conspiracy" is just the conservative version of a 911 truther, because when you come down to it everything seems to be repeating itself in this political debate. We switched from Bush Haters to Obama Haters, 911 truther to Progressive conspiracy proponent, Republicans calling those who don't tow the line un-patriotic to Democrats calling those who don't agree with them Right Wing Extremists. Nothing has changed! It's the same game with a different side in power.

I'm not going to sit here and say that you are a "nut case", because I believe that in any legend or conspiracy theory there is almost always a grain of truth, or at least a question. I actually agree with you that 99 percent of the country just couldn't be bothered, and that the powers that be have even dismissed the concept of personal responsibility is a racist code word. There is an obvious overt effort to turn the people of this country into government dependency driven distracted easily led morons. This has been going on for years. How do you fight it really? When by your own admittance only one percent have any idea of what is going on. I have grappled with this question myself many times, and have come up with only one scenario that I can play out and that is to make my voice heard, wait, and allow the world to crumble. Why? Because I came to the conclusion long ago that the American People have gotten to a point where they don't know what not having the blessings of freedom feel like, and need to be shown what oppression truly is, then maybe at some point many years in the future they will rise up and take back that freedom that their forefathers fought to give them, which they squandered away for dependency.

I feel that if the people can't take enough responsibility for their own well being to stop this madness of allowing our freedoms to be compromised in order to get free stuff, and all their needs met by the government, then who am I to stand in their way?

 

[cyberdigger]

ORIGINAL: DJFALLSI'm gonna regret this cause they're gonna kick me off the forum but you are a total nut case.

That's not the only reason you should regret saying what you just said. I stand up for Cord, my favorite forum fillanthropist!

 

[athometoo]

say tha 5 times really fast . favorite forum fillanthropist . you talk prettier than a two dollar wh*re (blazing saddles)