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They were all the same company. This will help you to understand the changes.

The company was initially named the Anchor Pickle and Vinegar Works, and was run by Heinz and partner L. C. Noble. The name changed to Heinz, Noble & Company in 1872 when E. J. Noble joined on and the company relocated to nearby Pittsburgh.
After a banking panic forced him into bankruptcy in 1875, Heinz restarted his business with the help of his brother John and his cousin Frederick, and in the following year they introduced what would become its most well-known product: tomato ketchup. The new company was known as F. & J. Heinz until 1888, when Henry bought controlling interest from his brother and gave the business its current name.

For more try this link where I found the info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._J._Heinz_Company
 

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Ok, but what about the following extracted from the Ask Digger pages:

Hello,
My name is Vicki, Ive dug bottles now for about 6 or 7 years. I used to just sell them by the bucketful to a local antique dealer, but recently I' ve discovered E-bay and I think the antique dealer made a lot of money off me! Oh well its something that I love to do whether Im making money or not. Well, to get to the point, I have 2 bottles that I just found recently and haven't had much luck on finding a value.The first is: Embossed with a picture of an indian maybe? on a horse spearing an alligator or dragon. Words say TRADE MARK HOLBROOK & Co. it is a round and a light green or aqua color, the bottom says R B 6745. It stands about 7 1/2 "tall. It has a skin type bubble burst on the alligators neck defect in the making? No chips or cracks.The second: Embossing says HEINZ BROS & CO PITTSBURGH PA TRADE MARK It has a shield with a cross in the center. The bottom says HEINZ BROs & CO 35 . It is light blue in color. It stands about 6" tall with kinda a Janesville shape. So happy to find someone to ask about these even if you cant help, I
appreciate your time. Thanks again Vicki

Vicki,
Your first bottle is a product bottle of the Holbrooks Limited operating at 203 Asted Row, Birmingham, England around the turn of the century. Of the bottles frequently found made by this compnay, yours is probably the most attractive. They were makers of sauces, pickles, vinegar, curries, custard powders, egg powders, soups, soup tablets, salad oils, and fruit essences. The trademark you describe was first used by the compnay in 1877 and was applied to affixed to the labels or embossed on at least two different bottle, one round and the other square (probably pickles). The most common bottle is a worcestershire sauce bottle, and they were great competitors with Lea & Perrines. The round bottle you have is the rarer of the two and was a chutney or pickle bottle made between 1877-1905. The value, I'd estimate at about $30.
Your second bottle is a product of the F. & J. Heinz Company of Pittsburgh, Pa. Their name trademark was registered in 1878 although the company goes back several years prior to that date. This well known company made a huge variety (57 varieties at one time) of pickles, vinegar, catsups, horse-radish, mustard, preserves, jellies, marmalades and fruit butters and more. By the 1960s they were selling more than 1250 items in more than 150 countries. Henry Heinz began the the first product, horse-radish in his mother's kitchen around 1869. I beleive the No. 35 was also believe it or not tomato chutney! Sounds to me like you have one of the larger chutney collections I have heard about. Value $8-9. Digger

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Hi, I read your "questions I get" concerning the Heinz Brothers and Company. The Heinz Brothers and Company were not related to H. J. Heinz, the founder of the H. J. Heinz Company and its predecessors, Heinz, Noble and Company and the F&J Heinz Company. The Heinz Brothers made condiments too, however, but I guess you could call them a "knock-off" company. Whatever, H. J. Heinz did, they would soon copy, using an exact bottle and similar label, with the same numbering system on the bottom of the glass bottle. I believe that is one of the reasons the "real" Heinz started to patent his bottles and other non-food creations (i.e. original pickle pin). I do not know when the Heinz Brothers & Company they went out of business. In the late 1800's, there was yet another Heinz Company in the midwest not related to the H. J. Heinz Company, too. Heinz at one time manufactured their own glass at their bottling company in Sharpsburg, PA, a few miles north of Pittsburgh and which is also home of the original "House of Heinz" which now resides in Ford's Greenfield Village, Dearborn, MI. I don't know when they got out of the glass business. (At one time they also made their own wooden cases, cans, etc.) As you know, old Heinz bottles and even Heinz Brothers bottles with product and ingredients are hard to find.
Sincerely, Dan Dunmire

Digger, I just returned from the Senator Heinz Regional Historical Center Heinz exhibit. The exhibit included Heinz bottles manufactured at the Heinz Sharpsburg glass factory and a catsup and an advertisement of the Heinz Brothers. In fact, it includes a Heinz Brothers and H. J. Heinz catsup bottle side-by-side. The description states,"In the 1880's and 1890's, the H. J. Heinz company and its Keystone Brand pickles and condiments faced local competition form the Heinz Brothers (no relation), makers of Banner Brand pickles and condiments. Consumers apparently knew the difference between the two Pittsburgh based Heinz companies. While H. J. Heinz Company grew and flourished, the Heinz Brothers went out of business in 1895." Thought you would like to know. Dan Dunmire
 

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Ok Steve, I see what you are talking about now. The Heinz Brothers Co was in competition whith the Heinz brothers (Henry and John and cousin Frederick) from F&J and H J Heinz. How could anyone confuse the two. [sm=lol.gif]

I have to go and lay down now, I have a headache.[&:] [;)]
 

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This bottle has only Worchester Sauce embossed around its shoulder. Do you suppose it was a Lea & Perrins even though their name is not embossed, and possibly been on a label. There is the letters K Y C W embossed on the bottom of the jar. Could that possibly be initials of the name of the company, or is that the initials for the glass co. that made the bottle ? Biggest reason I posted this bottle was because of the way that little effort was applied as for applying the top. Wish some of my better bottles had tops applied in the manner.[/align]

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Two Cottage Cheese Jars. One at leaft from J. Berling of Cincinnati, the one at right named Clover Blossom, not sure where it was from.

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Here is a straight sided jar with a glass lid embossed Victory. Does anyone know what the encloser looked like for this jar ? Second and third picture showing lid and bottom of jar.

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I knew this information well at the time Warren, problem was, I could not come up with the blasted to capitalize on the venture. Still ticks me off every time I think about it.
 

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I have a fold out poster that the Clorox Co. put out some years ago of all their bottles that were made in order and with the dates when they were made. I need to find where I put it, have not seen it now for some time. It would would be neat if the Heinz Co. did the same exhibiting their bottles and infor in their order of production as well. May have to send them a letter or email is possible, making issue concerning that.
 

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