Dalby's Carminative

[Steve/sewell]

2. I am not sure if the British Versions just said plain Liquid Opodeldoc or had a proprietors name embossed also. I have seen British Opodeldoc bottles with a larger mouth/neck though almost like the Cephalick snuff I posted..

 

[Steve/sewell]

Another Dyott umbrella flare.

 

[Steve/sewell]

Your Dalbys are great looking bottles Jerry. Do you have any for sale right now.

 

[AntiqueMeds]

various British Dalby's bottles

Its hard to tell much about Dalbys from the early USA ads.
It seems to be treated in a very generic way.
For example this 1811 ad.
They dont give much clue to its origin, whether its imported or put up locally.

 

[JOETHECROW]

A generic recipe from Fenner's formulary....

3958. Carminative Cordial.​

Catechu, 4 ounces av.​

Opium, 1 ounce av.​

Camphor, 910/2 ounce av.​

Oil of Peppermint, 1 fl. drachm.​

Oil of Cinnamon, 20 minims.​

Oil of Cloves, 20 minims.​

Sugar, 2 pounds av.​

Alcohol, 2 pints.​

Water, sufficient to make 1 gallon.​

Macerate the Catechu, Opium and Camphor, with 12526/2 pints of Alcohol,​

mixed with 2 pints of Water for seven days, agitating every day, pour​

off the liquid and reserve; pour the drugs upon a filter and percolate​

them with Water until 3 pints of percolate have been obtained, mix this​

with the reserved liquid; dissolve the Oils in the remaining half pint of​

Alcohol, and add to the mixture, then filter, dissolve the Sugar in the​

filtrate, and add enough Water, if necessary, to make a gallon of, the​

finished product.​

Dose, for children, from half to a teaspoonful; for adults, a teaspoonful.

 

[deepbluedigger]

I don't have any for sale now Steve, but will do at some point. I'll make sure to let you know when it happens.

We get both spellings of Cephalic / Cephalick on the snuffs. Most have the 'k', with only maybe one or two variants without it.

'Liquid opodeldoc' seems to be a purely American thing. British opodeldocs sometimes have the proprietors name (most common is Steers Opodeldoc - although I don't have one : so far I've always been in the wrong place at the wrong time, so missed out) but they also turn up as generic bottles with only the medicine name. They are almost all wide mouth bottles, probably because it wasn't the 'liquid' type.

Here are some more British Dalby's. These are all but two or three of the known main types (but there are dozens, if not hundreds, of variations on the generic type).

James Dalby. Embossed "Dalby's / Carminative // Prepared by / James Dalby". This was one of the main rivals to Francis Gell, of Gell's Dalby's Carminative. Almost always in heavy flint / lead glass. There's an early aqua variant which is very rare: a much taller thinner bottle, more like a Godfrey's Cordial shape.

Two generic types. The one on the left is probably quite late (maybe 1850s) and the one on the right with lip damage is much earlier, 1800 - 1830s. Neither of these is rare, but good undamaged examples of the early one are hard to find (I don't have one yet).

Here is the later type of pontilled Gells alongside a mystery bottle: 'Eve's / Dalby's // Carminative". One of only three known (at least here in the UK): one is in a very long-standing collection where it's been sitting for the past 20+ years; this one was dug in southern England in 2003, and a third turned up quite recently via ebay. Looks very similar to the Gells, with almost identical style of mold engraving, very similar lips, bases and pontils, but no one has yet come up with any definite information about 'Eves'. Could this be American? It doesn't look American to me, especially with the similarity to the Gell's bottles which are 100% definitely English. But maybe someone here knows different?

 

[JOETHECROW]

Real interesting variants and info Jerry.... Dalby's....Very cool bottles in their own right. Now I'll be looking closer for differences.

 

[glass man]

VERY NICE YALL!!JAMIE