EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ?

[celerycola]

If the "4' on this to the right of the OI mark means "1934" then this is my oldest acl.

 

[celerycola]

The bottle is a Dr. Reiss Celery from Brooklyn NY. I had a Dr. Reiss ginger ale I let go since I only collect Celery Soda. The label has "Since 1898" so they may have used some of the earliest crown sodas.

Anyone have one in better condition for me?

 

[morbious_fod]

ORIGINAL: celerycola

If the "4' on this to the right of the OI mark means "1934" then this is my oldest acl.

Nope sorry. They started using Duraglas on the bottles in 1940. That would most likely be a 1944.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

celerycola ~ morbious_fod

Thanks to both.

All I can add to this is ...

The 3 is the glass plant number = "Fairmount, W. Va."
The 4 is the date = As Morb indicated = Likely 1944.
The 1 is the mold number.

By the way, I'm on the trail of a 1934 ACL, but no image or confirmation yet. It's kind of a "ghost" I have been chasing around.

Thanks again,

Bob

 

[celerycola]

Thanks, Morb. I'll add that fact to my notes. I'm a little surprised they were making bottles in 1944 with the war going on.

How about LGW?

I have a Lake's Celery Jackson MS acl with LG 37 on the bottom.

 

[morbious_fod]

They were, I have several bottles from 1942, 1943, 1944, and 1945. While some bottlers like Sun Rise Bottling in Tazewell va shut down for a short time due to lack of men to work the plant, most kept right on truckin. Granted there was a lot of bottle and sugar rationing and bottle caps especially were hard to get a hold of during that period.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here is another "7up" bottle from 1935. But this one is an amber brown example. There is not a great deal of information on it, other than it is from San Diego, California and is considered very rare. This particular bottle is from Cecil Muncey's website, and for anyone familar with his research and numerous articles on soda bottle collecting, there should be not doubt that Mr. Muncey thouroughly researched this bottle before associating a 1935 date with it. And likely the date is on the base of the bottle as well.

SPB

Thanks Cecil, you are now (as always) in the "Earliest ACL Hall of Fame."

Here is the link to his website that goes directly to the 7up bottle pictured here.

~ Just scroll down to item 430b ~

http://cecilmunsey.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=19&&Itemid=36

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Regarding my last post about celerycola's bottle - it seems I can't keep track of my own thread, as Morbious_fod already answered this. My apologies. I tried to delete it but was unable to.

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However, in my continuing pursuit of the earliest ACL(s), I wish to add the following quote from a well known website. But I am a little confused if the 1933 date is referring to soda bottles or beer bottles. And even though this is primarily a soda related topic, if it turns out that beer bottles were the earliest acls, then so be it.

I did a little research on Corona beer, and even though they started bottling in 1926, I could find no specific information as to when the actually started doing acls. But according to the following, it certainly "appears" there may be acls as early as 1933. But what and where are they? The search continues with these "ghost bottles."

SPB

"The acl style of marking bottles was most commonly found on soda, milk, and some beer bottles made from 1933 up until today, e.g., Coronaâ„¢ beer bottles". ???

 

[morbious_fod]

ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

ORIGINAL: celerycola

If the "4' on this to the right of the OI mark means "1934" then this is my oldest acl.

celerycola ~

Please note this is not intended to derail your bottle, but in the course of my research I have discovered that the "Duraglas / Owens - Illinois, Inc." merger did not occur until 1940. Thus, this indicates that the 4 on your example is most likely 1944 or later. But still an early ACL. Thanks.

SPB

Actually Soda Pop the merger occurred in 1929. The trademark Duraglas was first used on bottles in 1940. Check out the link below for more info on the company and dating their bottles.

http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/OwensIll_BLockhart.pdf

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. ~

I guess it did delete - my apologies again. But now I can't delete the top paragraph of my last post. Administration ... Help! We need more edit options. Thanks.

SODAPOPBOB

P.S. ~ P.S.

Thanks Morb. This is still a learning process for me and I appreciate your expertise.