Hobbleskirt Coke with 1916 date error

[Dmellman]

If the error bottles are Laurens, then they occured at least 2 years after they were already making hobble skirts. Why the 1916 date. They should have known better. That part makes no sense.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Dm Thank you for that well worded description of your bottle. There's nothing I like better than proper terminology when it comes to describing soda bottles. Now if we could only get eBay sellers to follow suit. I totally agree that those responsible for the errors should have known better. The same thing applies to the advertisements and signs. Please be reminded of the two ads pictured below, both of which are from 1919. I still suspect the artist renderings originated from the parent company in Atlanta, Georgia, especially when you take into account the bottle images are almost, if not totally identical to one another. I looked around and found lots of 1915 hobbleskirts produced by Laurens Glass Works, all of which were marked in some manner. However, of the examples that had detailed descriptions and/or pictures by knowledgeable sellers, all were from 1920 or later. None of the later bottles I'm referring to were error bottles - all of them had the correct patent date of 1915. Because of those later examples, we can be certain that Laurens Glass Works was well aware of the correct patent date during it's post 1920 production. But the question still remains unanswered as to whether Lauren's got it right the first time around? And if it wasn't Laurens, it was definitely somebody. At least Laurens was located in the proper region at the time, which was in South Carolina. 1. Error Ad ~ The Evening Review ~ East Liverpool, Ohio ~ May 31, 19192. Error Ad ~ Monroe News-Star ~ Monroe, Louisiana ~ July 25, 1919 Observation: 1919 seems to be the year most often associated with the various errors!

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Regarding the 1919 Ouachita ad from Monroe, Louisiana ... that bottling facility was headed by Joseph Biedenharn who is accredited as having been one of the first bottlers of Coca Cola. You'd think if anyone would know better and get the patent date right it would have been him!

 

[hemihampton]

What happened to the Valley on the older straight sided cokes, They must of shortened it to just Quachita? Pic of bottom of Coke below. LEON.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

What happened to the Valley on the older straight sided cokes, They must of shortened it to just Quachita? Pic of bottom of Coke below. LEON.

Read all about it ... https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Monroe-La-Straight-side-coke-m660901.aspx

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

X 4 ~ Laurens Glass Works ~ Coca Cola Bottle ~ 1942 http://www.fohbc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CocaColaXBottle.pdf I've seen examples of the X bottle before but never knew the story behind it until now. But what's especially interesting about the article is found in the last paragraph where they refer to the bottle as the mold number 4 bottle. However, the reference does not sound to me like they are talking about a sequence of mold numbers such a 1,2,3,4, etc. It sounds more specific as if the number 4 held some special significance. Check it out and see what you think. By the way, now that I know the story about the X bottle, I want one more than ever.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I'll go ahead and ask the question that I suspect might be on more than just a few of our minds .. Question: I wonder if the number 4 was Laurens Glass Works code for anything they produced that was related to Coca Cola?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

This is the most comprehensive histories of the Laurens Glass Works I've ever read. Of special interest is found on page 34 where it confirms that Laurens did not start using a makers mark until 1919 ... http://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1022&context=lib_facpub&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dfrom%2520cracked%2520to%2520perfect%2520bottles%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CCoQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fscholarcommons.sc.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1022%2526context%253Dlib_facpub%26ei%3DD3yvUYuNN4i2yAHioICwCw%26usg%3DAFQjCNE3Epod7yqRGpJpDXRvz45t60vr2w#search=%22from%20cracked%20perfect%20bottles%22

 

[hemihampton]

What happened to the Valley on the older straight sided cokes, They must of shortened it to just Quachita? Pic of bottom of Coke below. LEON.

Read all about it ... https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Monroe-La-Straight-side-coke-m660901.aspx

OH, OK, Very Interesting. I only read the first couple of pages months ago. Did not read all that other stuff until now. Only some of it now though, to many pages. LEON.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Notice in this snippet from the 2011 Doug McCoy article about the Coca Cola X bottle where I underlined in red that the location of the plant where the experiments for the bottle were conducted was in Baltimore, Maryland. Even though Doug McCoy refers to the 4 as a mold number, I question this because I have never seen a mold number on the side of a bottle. They are always on the base. But what I have seen on the side and/or heel of numerous Coca Cola hobbleskirts, especially those made by Owens-Illinois, are a makers marks, dates, and plant location numbers. You can draw your own conclusions, but as for myself, I am inclined to think the 4 is a plant number and not a mold number. However, what I don't know just yet, but intend to research, is more about a Laurens plant located in Baltimore, Maryland. And for those who might have forgotten, please be reminded that one of the 1916 error bottles was found in Maryland. (To be continued)