Hobbleskirt Coke with 1916 date error

[SODAPOPBOB]

I have to keep reminding myself not to get locked into the 1917-1919 timeframe. Just because that's when most of the error advertisements were published doesn't necessarily mean that's when the error bottles were produced. Because the standard Patent 1915 bottles were made between 1917 and 1928, its highly possible the error bottles were also made as late as 1928. Regarding bottle machines other than the licensed Owens machines being used between about 1917 and 1928, a few names that came up during a recent are ... 1. The Ashley/Johnny Bull machine2. The Graham machine3. The Olean machine4. The O'Neill Machine5. The Red Devil machine There were others, but it appears these five were primarily designed to make small-mouthed bottles such as soda and beer bottles. More info here ... http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/ONeillmachines.pdf

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

And even more ... Chronology of Bottle Machines http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/taleoftwomachines_blockhart.pdf I haven't read this one in ages and hope to find something interesting and helpful as to what type of machine(s) did not leave a suction scar.

 

[Canadacan]

I guess it's the ice blue color that makes me think earlier.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

CC Go to Page 4 of the Chronology link I posted and under the heading "On the OP Trail" read where Bill Porter claimed the only glass manufacturers who produced "blue" Coca Cola bottles were ... 1. Chattanooga Bottling Company2. Laurens Glass Works However, Bill Lockhart refuted the claim, so I'm not sure what to make of it at the moment.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Dmellman : I've almost run out of research options and for me everything hinges on the correct answer to what I consider to be highly significant question, which is ... Are you absolutely certain your error bottle is machine made?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

If not machine made ... Every indicator points directly to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Laurens Glass Works

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Question of the day ... 1. BIM?2. SEMI ABM?3. ABM?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Reminder ... I posted this link earlier and it definitely shows a Laurens Glass Works BIM hobbleskirt, which is clearly marked LGW 19 for 1919. Please be reminded that according to Bill Porter, Laurens hobbleskirts prior to 1919 were unmarked but had a large mold number on the base. Porter comments on this link and says the guy's bottle is the earliest dated Laurens bottle, which is the same thing as saying there were earlier, undated and unmarked bottles. But in order for things to fit the Laurens theory properly, Dmellman's bottle would have to be a BIM and not a ABM. http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/28305-very-rare-bim-hobbleskirt-bottle

 

[Canadacan]

I just glanced through both articles...So Bill is obviously aware of these bottles with the #'s on the base. That second article was pretty interesting! especially to see that BIM bottle! But they stated there was about 15 holdouts who never switched to Semi-auto machines and waited for the ABM, also three of them that the date is unknown when they switched....the fourth was Texas but that one can be ruled out. Blue glass producer + unknown date when they went to automatic = Chattanooga Bottle & Glass Co. But true the only other possibility is Laurens Glass Works...got their machine 1913 (Jersey Devil)....this one seems the most likely candidate?.....well I'll have to read more!..very interesting!

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Err, I mean, which came first, the Collectors Weekly article about the LGW 19 Hobbleskirt or the Antique-Bottles.net article about the LGW 19 Hobbleskirt?


Collectors Weekly Link

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/28305-very-rare-bim-hobbleskirt-bottle



Antique-Bottles.net Link ~ 2010

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/BIM-coca-cola-hobbleskirt-bottle-m367750.aspx