Need help with value of ACL bottles I found

[RED Matthews]

Well I read through all of this and I didn't learn what what a barrel head finish looks like, exactly? I am familiar with blob tops - but not on this new a bottle RED Matthews.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Red: Barrelhead Root Beer bottles had either Crown Finishes or Screw Cap Finishes

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I received my 16 Ounce, paper label Barrelhead Root Beer bottle and was surprised to discover it was made in ... 1980 I haven't forgotten I said I would eat my hat if it wasn't dated 1975 or earlier, but I might be granted a pass on that promise when you consider my latest theory in that its starting to look as if there is a possibility the 16 Ounce ACLs were only produced for about three or four years between 1976 and 1979. Ever since receiving my bottle I have been looking for 16 Ounce ACLs dated later than 1978 and have not been able to find a single one. In fact, the only 16 Ounce ACLs I can presently confirm are from 1976, 1977, and 1978. So, yes, I'm suggesting that after about 1978 they reverted back to paper labels. Another weird thing about my 16 Ounce paper label bottle is that it has "Return For Refund" on it, which I consider highly unusual for any paper label bottle from the 1970s or later. The makers mark on the base is an M in-a-hexagon, and on the cap it says it was bottled by the Canfield Company of Chicago, Illinois. It was shipped to me from Schaumburg, Illinois, which is a suburb of Chicago. If anyone can find a 16 Ounce Barrelhead Root Beer ACL bottle dated later than 1978, please share it with us because I cannot find a reference for or picture of one anywhere.
http://www.glassbottlemarks.com/bottlemarks/



M in a hexagon ... Metro Glass Bottle Company, Jersey City, New Jersey. Mark used c.1949-c.1981. Also with plants at Washington, PA (since 1957); Carteret, NJ (1958) and Dolton, IL. Known as the Metro Glass Division of National Dairy Products Corp. After 1956 (Kraftco after 1969). Later known as MetroPak Containers. MetroPak was bought by Ball Corporation in 1980. The Jersey City plant was closed on Nov. 13, 1981, but the other three plants continued in operation.


Canfield Company, Chicago ~ Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.J._Canfield_Company

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. About 99% of the 16 Ounce ACL bottles I've found pictures of or references for are dated ... 1977

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

This 28 Ounce paper label bottle currently on eBay is the only other 1976 bottle I have been able to find a confirmation picture of ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/201267061369?rmvSB=true

 

[BullGill]

I kind of suspected that the paper labels went beyond 1975 just because of how many are available. It seems each plant was doing something different at the same time. So at the same time they were producing my bottle they were producing paper label bottles elsewhere. It seems there is a way to date the paper label bottles without seeing the bottom now though. The 1980 bottles you bought has a redish label while the example of a 1976 bottle has a solid black label. This may also prove to be just another difference between plants though. I am not so sure about the bottle on ebay being 1976 I think what looks like 76 is actually 16...I asked the seller if he could tell me what is on the bottom. I think the best thing I can do is try and find another bottle from 1976 made by Glenshaw Glass Company if I find another 1976 acl by Glenshaw that would mean that they produced both styles of acl in the same year. I think we have found some Glenshaw acl bottles from 1977 which seems to point to the conclusion that they started off producing paper labels then switched to acl then back to paper labels. What we need are the dates of when they produced the different bottles. Maybe if I ask enough sellers on ebay to tell me what the bottom markings are on their bottles this would be a way to get some dates and catalog all the different companies and which dates they produced what. So far we have not found acl after 1977 so that is another thing that has to be researched, whether or not they produced acl after 1977. QUOTE"Another weird thing about my 16 Ounce paper label bottle is that it has "Return For Refund" on it, which I consider highly unusual for any paper label bottle from the 1970s or later."It is strange indeed, I guess they would sterilize them and throw a new label on it. I guess they could collect the bottles easy enough because there distribution chain was not very long and the bottles didn't travel to the other side of the country. In a way it sort of makes sense to just put a new label on an old bottle.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

It seems there is a way to date the paper label bottles without seeing the bottom now though. The 1980 bottle you bought has a reddish label while the example of a 1976 bottle has a solid black label. This may also prove to be just another difference between plants though. I'm not sure what you mean about the 1976 bottle having a solid black label. What I see is the same reddish wood grain likeness on both bottles. I am not so sure about the bottle on ebay being 1976 I think what looks like 76 is actually 16...I asked the seller if he could tell me what is on the bottom. I see a 16 on the right side, but pretty sure its a 76 at the top where I placed the arrow. Please Let us know what the seller's response is. Maybe if I ask enough sellers on ebay to tell me what the bottom markings are on their bottles this would be a way to get some dates and catalog all the different companies and which dates they produced what. Good idea. You might also ask them to post focused pictures of the bases. So far we have not found acl after 1977 so that is another thing that has to be researched, whether or not they produced acl after 1977. If you go back to Page 4, Post #78, you will see where I posted pictures of the bases of 1976, 1977, 1978 ACL bottles. Its the 1979 and later ACLs (if they even made them) that I can't find pictures of. QUOTE "Another weird thing about my 16 Ounce paper label bottle is that it has "Return For Refund" on it, which I consider highly unusual for any paper label bottle from the 1970s or later." It is strange indeed, I guess they would sterilize them and throw a new label on it. I guess they could collect the bottles easy enough because there distribution chain was not very long and the bottles didn't travel to the other side of the country. In a way it sort of makes sense to just put a new label on an old bottle. But if the paper label was missing on my 16 Ounce bottle, there is nothing specific I can see embossed it to identify it as being returnable, nor even that its a Barrelhead Root Beer bottle. Maybe the retailers wouldn't take them back unless the paper labels were still attached. ???

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

The only embossing on my 16 Ounce paper label bottle is randomly scattered around the base something like this ... l9l 4 80 4 [M] I will eventually post a picture, but this is a good representation. The M is actually in a six-sided hexagon, but I don't have that symbol on my keyboard. I'm not sure if the top is l9l or l6l. It depends on which way you look at it. But I'm pretty sure those are vertical lines on either side of the number or else small L's. They do not appear to be the number 1

 

[BullGill]

It seems there is a way to date the paper label bottles without seeing the bottom now though. The 1980 bottle you bought has a reddish label while the example of a 1976 bottle has a solid black label. This may also prove to be just another difference between plants though. I'm not sure what you mean about the 1976 bottle having a solid black label. What I see is the same reddish wood grain likeness on both bottles.

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