Spence, see you got busy posting some pictures. In that dump you are digging at the mansion, I believe I would just start digging a hole straight down till you hit bottom and see if you get into anythig older, you may be surprised at what you might find, or at least I hope you will be. How the devil did I end up here on this site ?? Now I am all fired up again and want to go out and dig the daylighes out of something!