ST DRAKE 1860 PLANTATION BITTERS Dating

[appliedlips]

Brian,

This whole book is available free on line,I have been to the link several times but can't seem to find it tonight.It is in a file on a National Park Service sight.Rick is right,it is very informative and well written.Doug

 

[KentOhio]

The Ravenna Glass Works in Ohio was blowing Drakes in 1864. I wish I knew which mold.

 

[BRIAN S.]

ORIGINAL: appliedlips

Brian,

This whole book is available free on line,I have been to the link several times but can't seem to find it tonight.It is in a file on a National Park Service sight.Rick is right,it is very informative and well written.Doug

Doug , If you happen across the link again .... I'd appreciate you sending it my way. Thanks

 

[BRIAN S.]

ORIGINAL: Rick

A book called The Bertrand Bottles has pictures of all the bottles along with line drawings of the sides and even the bottoms. If only all bottle books were like that.

There were also 6 log Drakes on the Stamship Republic that went down off the coast of Georgia in 1865.

Thanks Rick ! I am familar with the bottles found by the Odyssey Marine Exploration ( Republic ) .
But , I am not familar with the bottles of the Bertrand.

 

[BRIAN S.]

ORIGINAL: KentOhio

The Ravenna Glass Works in Ohio was blowing Drakes in 1864. I wish I knew which mold.

Kent , Where did you get this info ?

 

[Rick]

The bottles on the REPUBLIC are in a book called Bottles from the Deep. Just colored photos of the bottles, no pictures of the bases.

Looks like we have the 6 logs down, any of the 4 log ones that are able to be pinned to down to a certain time?

 

[BRIAN S.]

This is what Dave Bowers wrote : In the past it has been popular to attribute mold variations to " different glasshouses " , but I belive it logical to assign the production to just a few glasshouses , each of which may have used many molds . As most glasshouses used independent mold makers . It seems reasonable to attribute significant differences in style and format to different mold makers rather than different factories , although the answer may be a combination of both.
Whitney , Salem , and a unnamed Lancaster ( Pa. ) glasshouse have been identified as makers of Drake's Plantation Bitters bottles by former writers. Factual evidence is hard to come by ; literature on the subject indicates that most modern writers have simply followed suggestions of Steven Van Rensselaer ( Who named the Whitney Glassworks as a maker ) and others. Reference ( Bottle World ) , and Dave Bowers

 

[BRIAN S.]

Here is an 1873 newspaper advertisment . You will notice that the bottle pictured is a 4 log . But , the artist may not be accurate with his drawing ......... as the bottle looks short and sqatty .
And to add to my confusion ...... you will notice that the Drake name is mentioned nowhere ..... not on the drawing of the bottle or in the ad.

 

[BRIAN S.]

Here's a trade card from around the same period as the above newspaper ad . It is a six log and does bare the Drake's name .

 

[appliedlips]

Try this Brian www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/bertrand/bottles.pdf Scoll down throught the list to THE BERTRAND BOTTLES it is under T.Hope this helps,Doug