Ward's Orange Crush by Alco Bottling?

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Canadacan: Have you checked the bases on your bottles for a makers mark and date code? If they are Owens-Illinois bottles and have a mark similar to this ... <(I)> ... then they were made sometime after 1929. Owen-Illinois was established in 1929. I can't say for certain, but I doubt that Ward's Orange Crush labels, or any type of paper label, was still being used on Orange Crush bottles as late as 1929. That's about nine years after the krinkly bottle was introduced.

 

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P.S. In other words, if the bottles with Ward's Orange Crush paper labels were made by Owens-Illinois, then I am currently of the opinion the paper labels are not authentic to the bottles and were added at some later date.

 

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Additionally ... I hope to eventually find confirmation, but its starting to look as if Alco/Nevin-Frank Bottling didn't start to bottle Orange Crush until the 1930s.

 

[Canadacan]

Ok things are smoking[] here Bob! A huge help is that advertisement, first off I knew it was not 40's or 30's in fact it's Copyright © 1921 The Orange Crush Company. You can see the Ward's on the bottle.[attachment=1921-Norman-Rockwe... Crush Company.jpg] Interesting notes: The Re-ly-on Bottler article states 'manufacture of sixteen products' in 1921The 1926 ad shows only 14 products....it makes sense to me they would not list a National brand, that advertising would have been separate. This ad shows they were the State Distributor.....question :before the expansion in 1926?...must have been unless they used this ad into the mid 20's. But most importantly it establishes that Nevin-Frank bottled and distributed Ward's Orange Crush!Maybe it would be reasonable to assume they used it for several years after the copy right date. I know one of the bottles is embossed Nevin-Frank / Butte Mont. on the shoulder ... the other bottle I can not tell. I do not have the bottles in hand yet but will be examining them when they arrive.

 

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Canadacan: Where did you find the Copyright © 1921 The Orange Crush Company. for the cardboard sign, and do you know what aspect of it applies to 1921? Its possible the 1921 refers to some aspect of the copyright and not necessarily when the sign was produced/printed. Please clarify if you can - thanks.

 

[Canadacan]

Additionally ... I hope to eventually find confirmation, but its starting to look as if Alco/Nevin-Frank Bottling didn't start to bottle Orange Crush until the 1930s.

Bob you bring me up![]...then you bring me down[]......If those bottles turn out to be newer than expected it'll have been a major disappointment. It's really hard to believe those labels because they are the first seen (I believe) in conjunction with a Bottlers label. I always like to reverese things... if someone posed the question: I wonder if Nevin-Frank Bottled Ward's Orange Crush with paper labels?.... Hmmm I don't know but here is a bottle!.. X2...[]

 

[Canadacan]

Canadacan: Where did you find the Copyright © 1921 The Orange Crush Company. for the cardboard sign, and do you know what aspect of it applies to 1921? Its possible the 1921 refers to some aspect of the copyright and not necessarily when the sign was produced/printed. Please clarify if you can - thanks.

Came from Best Norman Rockwell Art.com....that's what the picture has watermarked. On the site all Crush advertising was under the 1921 section. I get what your saying most of these advertisements were used for several years after.

 

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Canadacan: It is not my intent to bring you down or bum you out, but I will bet dimes-to-donuts your bottles turn out to be made by Owens-Illinois sometime after 1930 []

 

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Here's one of the reasons why I say the bottles were made by Owens-Illinois after 1930 ... 1. Front2. Back3. Base (But admit I'm only about 99.99% sure that's an Owens-Illinois mark)

 

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Side-by-side comparison of embossed shoulder ... 1. Canadacan's bottle2. Owens-Illinois bottle