Ward's Orange Crush by Alco Bottling?

[Canadacan]

Well I hope it's just the Diamond I mark for Illinois Glass Co.....for my sake! [&:]Yes I seen that bottle>>> but it's so distorted...we'll have to wait and see I guess and then go from there.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Speaking of a Alco/Nevin-Frank bottle with the I-in-a-diamond Illinois Glass Company mark (pre 1929), here's one currently on eBay ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BUTTE-NEVIN-FRANK-ALCO-Montana-Soda-Bottle-RARE-/151629431178?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234dd1818a 1. Front2. Base Plus ... 3. What I believe to be the Owens-Illinois mark for comparison

 

[Canadacan]

That's a nice bottle!....And speaking of bottles, In that Alco advertisement they mentioned 'Oh Boy' well here it is from the same lot as the Ward's Crush. [attachment=Montana Sodas2.jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I agree the "Oh-Boy" brand was included in the 1926 newspaper article - but its still possible that someone stuck an older label on a newer bottle. For me it all hinges on the dates the bottles themselves were actually made. If Illinois Glass, then 1929 or earlier. If Owens-Illinois, then 1930 or later. ~ * ~ ~ Side topic for future reference ~ I haven't been able to find the exact date, but sometime in the 1930s or early 1940s, Mr. Frank bought out Mr. Nevin and started "Frank Bottling Works" 1. Notice how similar the Nevin-Frank bottle on the left is to the Frank Bottling Works bottle on the right (The description did not indicate a date for either bottle)2. The Montana Standard ~ Butte, Montana ~ October 1, 1941 ~ Successor to Nevin-Frank3. Frank Bottling Works crate - Successor To Nevin-Frank (I'm not sure if its J.H. Harkens, Harmens, or some other spelling on the end of the crate)

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Notice the Nevin-Frank bottle on the right has a "Priof" finish/lip Notice below where it says ... 1. development of the "Priof" method of bottle finish by the Illinois Glass Company 2. "This finish was not being offered in the 1920 Illinois Glass Company catalog so must have been invented/patented shortly thereafter..." "PRIOF" Closure/Finish The "PRIOF" closure is actually a finish variation for the crown cap intended to make it easier to remove the cap in that it could be "pried off" with a non-standard opener without breaking the bottle. Paul & Parmalee (1973) describe this finish and origin quite well and are quoted below:[blockquote]

One of the last minor changes or variations of the crown closure was the development of the "Priof" method of bottle finish by the Illinois Glass Company. The crown bottle, appearing in the early 1920s, had a projecting ledge below the lip of the crown which assisted the consumer in opening the bottle. By using the ledge as a point of leverage, one could easily pry off the cap by using a knife, key, coin or any flat piece of metal. One needed only to insert the lever between the ledge and the cap and twist. Although this type of bottle finish was used sporadically through the years, it never became popular enough to dominate the market. However, its major advertising feature was that it substantially reduced the number of broken and chipped bottles which resulted from the use of various unconventional openers.​

[/blockquote]The "ledge" is visible in the image just above the "PRIOF" embossing; in fact, the embossing is on the outside face of the ledge. This finish was usually (always?) embossed with REGISTERED PATENTED "PRIOF" horizontally on the lower part of the finish, as shown in the image above. This finish was not being offered in the 1920 Illinois Glass Company catalog so must have been invented/patented shortly thereafter as noted by Paul & Parmalee above (IGCo. 1920; Paul & Parmalee 1973). It appears that this finish/closure was by far most commonly used on Citrate of Magnesia bottles made during the 1920s and 1930s, though undoubtedly saw some other use as a beverage finish/closure.

 

[Canadacan]

Hey yes I noticed that bottle crate before! That Nevin-Frank bottle you just posted is PRIOF!!! that makes it an Illinois Glass Company bottle. Pre 1930 then. []

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

That Nevin-Frank bottle you just posted is PRIOF!!! that makes it an Illinois Glass Company bottle. Pre 1930 then. []

Yeppers, except your Orange Crush paper label bottle isn't a Priof. But I agree, it does confirm that some of the Nevin-Frank bottles were made by Illinois-Glass prior to 1929.

 

[Canadacan]

Gesh 16 min. latter and you can't edit!...that drives me nutz! Anyways I remember you posted the Illinois glass catalog on my Crush bottle post and it stated it was new for 1926 I think.....I was able to date that Crush bottle to 1927.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here's the link and a page from the 1926 Illinois Glass catalog where it describes the Priof finish as "new" (Scroll to Soda, Beer & Water Bottles - Page 154) http://www.sha.org/bottle/igco1926.htm

 

[hemihampton]

Wonder if the same Frank made these Soda cans? LEON.