Agana Guam Hobbleskirt Coke

[OsiaBoyce]

ORIGINAL: daven2nl

Lets see if this works... it may explode the forum. Here is my data in raw form.... I've never seen and number/letter combos on the base.

The "UNKNOWN" mfr mark relates to the Japanese bottle manufacturers on the later bottles Ive found. All are hobbleskirts. TRADE MARK (SMALL) is the smaller lettering on the Owens-Illinois bottles. TRADE MARK (LARGE) refers to the larger lettering on the Chattanooga bottles. The size difference is distinctive. for my writeup, I will include photos of all examples.



TYPE COLOR LEFT MFR MARK RIGHT BASE EMBOSSING
PAT D-105529 Green 32(?) Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 52 UNKNOWN 52 None
PAT D-105529 Green 3 Owens-Illinois 48 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 9D Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 50 Owens-Illinois 44 PORTLAND ORE (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 11 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH (with "S" mark)
PAT D-105529 Green 13 Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF (with "S" mark)
PAT D-105529 Clear 5L Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12C Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8R Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 32 Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 5K Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 6 UNKNOWN 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 84 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 14 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 20 Owens-Illinois 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 14(?) Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 44 "H"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2N Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 10 Chattanooga 44 None
TRADE MARK REGISTERED IN US PATENT OFFICE Green 55 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ?? ?? ?? "7 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 17 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 25 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
Owens-Illinois 44 SEATTLE WASH
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 44 "P"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1? Owens-Illinois 45 "1? B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "F"
PAT D-105529 Green 14 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 47 UNKNOWN 50 None
19 43
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 52 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 16 Owens-Illinois 45 "16 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 28 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 4P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 9B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 18 Owens-Illinois 46 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF "S"
PAT D-105529 Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 5
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2M Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 8A Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 18 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 12 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 40 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 10 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 16 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 9 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 22 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 8 n 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 67 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 6 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 11 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 43 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 12 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 11 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 11 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 34 UNKNOWN 52 None
PAT D-105529 Green 3 Owens-Illinois 48 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 18 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 27 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 9 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 71 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 70 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 51 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 15 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 3 Chattanooga 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 49 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 14 Owens-Illinois 45 "14 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 49 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6B Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 45 "1 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "9 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 45 "1 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 19 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 65 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 16 Owens-Illinois 45 "16 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "11 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6R Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 18 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 14 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 45 "12 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5Q Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 4R Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear "2." Owens-Illinois 44 "8" above "2."
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "7." Owens-Illinois 45 "7. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 "2 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "7." Owens-Illinois 45 "7. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
PAT D-105529 Green 25 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF "S"
PAT D-105529 Clear 1B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 10 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green "3." Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 6 Chattanooga 41 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7C Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 3G Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6L Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear "7." Chattanooga 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8L Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Green 28 Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 12 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 6P Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 33 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 37 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 26 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 42 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 22 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 25 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 31 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Green 29? Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
PAT D-105529 Green 5 Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 52 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "2." Owens-Illinois 45 "2. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "9. B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 2A Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"

I hope like hell someone had that 'Dragon' software or whatever ya call it instead of sitting at a keyboard and hammering all this out.

Call me lost in a sea of numbers, but what kind of conclusion are yall hunting for?

Bob, glad to see you have a couple of Sancho Panzas for your quest.[][][]

 

[Bill H]

Bob,

I said in an earlier post that I had a wood Coca Cola wood crate that I picked up, along with 24 bottles, on the North Slope. I said I picked it up 20 years ago but it was actually 30 years ago. I have 13 other photos of the crate, but it's taken me an hour to get just this far in trying to figure out how to send them. There are some interesting things about this crate that I will discuss in another post.

Bill

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Bill ~

Regarding the number 1 ...

Because of having found one error on the various Owens-Illinois charts, which is the fact that Los Angeles plant #23 opened in the early 1930s and not 1949, then there is a possibility that some of the other dates are incorrect, including plant #1 in Toledo, Ohio. The one chart shows Toledo in operation between 1930 and 1937. Because your bottle seems to have a definite number 1 in the plant location position, that example in itself might be enough to warrant a close examination of the various charts to determine once and for all whether they are accurate or not. In fact, this might be a good topic to discuss in a seperate thread, which I might initiate myself eventually. In the meantime, I am going to consider the possibility that your ... 1 <(I)> 44 ... is a 1944 bottle made at plant #1 in Toledo, Ohio.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

PS ~

Even if the charts are somewhat correct and the Toledo plant did cease full operation in 1937, who can say for certain they didn't re-open for a short time to help supply the demand for wartime Coca Cola bottles? At the moment I don't have the dates available, but I do know that Toledo was the corporate headquarters for a number of years. I have never read anywhere saying they demolished the factory itself, which could very well have remained intact but idle for years and years. Again, more research is required to determine these possibilities.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Just the tip of the iceberg regarding how long Owens-Illinois was located in Toledo, Ohio ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owens-Illinois

The company's headquarters were previously located in One Sea Gate, Toledo, Ohio, a local landmark. The headquarters were moved in late 2006 to the Levis Commons complex in Perrysburg, Ohio.

 

[Bill H]

Bob,

I asked my son to take a took a look at the #16 bottle and tell me what he saw. I showed him another bottle with good numbers so he would know where to look and to give him an idea what to look for. He told me right off the bat iit was a "1." I suppose the year number could be 44, but it looks like a "45." Again, the bottle has that "mold-melt" so I suppose anything is possible. If you could post an Owens-Illinois clear glass bottle with a "1" then I could do a comparison, but other than that I don't know what to say. It seems unlikely the bottle could be a 44 since all other bottles where the numbers can be seen, with the exception of one (a 46), are definitely 45s. The last two and separate numbers of the requisition number stamped on the wood case is "45."

Bill H

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Osia ~

I can't speak for everyone, but my personal interest involved with this discussion is with the hope of eventually finding answers to the following questions ... with a specific focus on the Owens-Illinois circa 1941-43 through 1951 Clear Glass Coca Cola bottles which are typically referred to as WWII bottles, and which have the words Trade Mark embossed below the script but that do not have the city/state embossed on the bases ...

Questions:

1. Where were the clear glass bottles made?
2. How many different glass factories made the clear glass bottles?
3. Were the clear glass bottles intended only for shipment to GI's during WWII?
4. Why were they made of clear glass instead of the typical green color?
5. Why don't the majority (if not all) of the clear glass bottles have cities/states embossed on the bases?
6. What do the so called embossed codes stand for? Especially the letters?
7. Etc; etc.

If anyone can direct me to a website or book that has the answers to the above questions, I will glady resourse it and share that information here.

And as to "why" this information interest me? The answer is because I am the curious type who loves doing soda bottle research, especially when it involves aspects of the hobby that are currently unknown.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Bill ~

44 /1944 was a typo error on my part. I remembered it incorrectly and did not scroll back to double-check the date before I posted my reply. I stand corrected.

1 <(I)> 45

Thanks.

Bob

If someone doesn't beat me to it, I will post a picture of an Owens-Illinois number 1 shortly.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here's a picture that will hopefully do for now, which shows both a 7 and a 1

Most of the pitures with 1's on the base that I have in my photo gallery appear to be slanted at the top. Some of them have the line across the base and some don't. So I don't think there ever was a standard number 1 and that it varied from one plant to another.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

And here's a number 1 with a line across it's base ...