Couple of Pre-1865 PIPE BOWLS

[bottlesam]

Hello Everyone,

Need some help with any information on these 2 pipe bowls dug from a 1840-1865 privy. Sealed brick liner with 95% of the bottles pontiled. Found these 2 pipe bowls.
#1 Figural face pipe, orange, fired glaze, very good condition. Very similar design of the pipe on the cover of American Digger Magazine July-August 2006. I don't own the magazine so I have no idea what if anything it says about the pipe.
#2 Clay pipe embossed T.W. surrounded by thirteen stars. I'm assuming the stars of the colonies? Nice tilt to the bowl vs. the stem indicating an older pipe. Possibly colonial? Bowl is chipped.
If anyone has any info on these pipes origin, age, value, etc. I would be grateful. See following pictures.
Thanks, Bottlesam

 

[bottlesam]

Another picture of #1.

 

[bottlesam]

Picture of #2.

 

[bottlesam]

Another of #2 showing chip and design along middle of clay bowl. Thanks for any info or links to anyone who might be able to help me.
Bottlesam.

 

[privvydigger]

wow thats nice.....
more pics

 

[surfaceone]

Hey Bottlesam,

Your excellent figural pipe looks a lot like "Old Rough and Ready." Great find! http://www.fohbc.com/PDF_Files/Bell_ClayPipes.pdf

 

[LC]

The figural looks to be possibly a Greek or Roman figure , the one with stars and initials look to be political , but my small brain can not spit out a name , the other an ornate pipe . Great finds whatever they are .

 

[RICKJJ59W]

Love those face bowls.

 

[riverdiver]

Some clay pipes recovered here in New England with T D on the bowl have been attributed to a Thomas Dougal of Scotland who was a very prolific pipe maker. I have recovered many with these initials on them and the stem sometimes has Scotland stamped into it, as for the stars I dont know if that is patriotic or not.

 

[adshepard]

I find many clay pipes with the TD marking but none with the stars. Very cool pipe.

Here is an article questioning whether the TD pipes actually came from Scotland -

http://www.virtlogic.ca/pipe/RBhtml.htm


Alan