IN SEARCH OF / NON-ABM / FANCY-IMAGE / CROWN SODA BOTTLES

[celerycola]

FACT is just a four-letter word.

ORIGINAL: OsiaBoyce

ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

Last but not least for the day ...

A reoccurring focal point in my research regarding a possible start date (or at least what might have influenced it) of the so called deco era of soda bottles seems to center around ...

CIRCA 1905

With the word "Circa" (circle / around) referring to ideas/inventions/events/etc. from about 1900 to about 1910

The link opens to 1905 but can be changed to either earlier or later years ...

http://www.historyorb.com/events/date/1905

There might be clues here

Bob

I just got to say it.

1905? Was the peroid of Art Nouveau..........................Art Deco would not make an apperance for another 20 years or so.

Picasso's work that you have shown is Cubism, which really has nothing to do with the Art Deco movement, which would still be years away.

And..........................the Chrysler buildings style is the result of the Art Deco movement, not the originator of the style.

Facts, I love em'. Like the late D.P. Moynihan said "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Now please continue on your tangent.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

ORIGINAL: celerycola

As far as pre-abm deco bottles gay-ola adopted a bottle design patented in 1914 in many cities. Bludwine used a hobble skirt bottle across the US as early as 1906 but that bottle was not design patented until 1918. One of the most elaborate deco sodas I have ever seen is the Kola-Mint with raised and sunken panels, horizontal rings, and the script trade mark embossed on high relief mint leaves. Every one is hand finished.

Celery ~

Now I'm the one who is confused. Here's why ...

I started this thread by stating I could not find examples of pre-abm / hand blown soda bottles with embossed images, nor examples that had fancy designs. And then you came along and posted the rebuttal above, indicating that pre-abm (hand finished) image/fancy designed soda bottles do in fact exist and were produced as early as 1906 and 1914. And now you ask me to produce a picture of a 1905 bottle to support a claim that was suggested by you in the first place. That's why I used the word "circa," which was an approximate date in reference to your 1906 bottle. Do or do not your comments indicate that so called "deco-like" soda bottles existed prior to the introduction of bottle machines and were hand-blown (BIM) / hand-finished? Perhaps it is you who should produce a picture and not me. After all, I was only trying to follow up on something that you brought to our attention in the first place. As for circa 1905 being an approximate starting date for so called fancy design soda bottles that have swirls, etc;, based on the picture below, I'm thinking now that I might have to go back even earlier than that!

Respectfully,

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. ~

I honestly feel celerycola was saying that fancy designed (deco-like) soda bottles were in fact produced as early as 1906/1914 and were hand-blown and pre bottle machine prior to about 1910. But maybe this isn't true after all. Maybe I need to do some more research and try and find more accurate dates as to when fancy-designed soda bottles were initially introduced.

Please know I am not trying to create controversy here. I merely put faith in celerycola's comments and now I don't know what to make of them.

The only thing I am fairly confident about now is that the Illinois Glass Company ...

1906 Catalog ~ Nothing I can see that resembles a fancy/elaborately designed soda bottle.

http://www.sha.org/bottle/igco_1906.htm

1920 Catalog ~ Nothing I can see that resembles a fancy/elaborately designed soda bottle.

http://www.sha.org/bottle/igco1920.htm

1926 Catalog ~ Numerous fancy/elaborately designed soda bottles.

http://www.sha.org/bottle/igco1926.htm

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

"As far as pre-abm deco bottles gay-ola adopted a bottle design patented in 1914 in many cities."

Gay-Ola Link:

http://www.kocanola.com/History%20Tennessee%20Keen/Default.htm

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

"Bludwine used a hobble skirt bottle across the US as early as 1906 but that bottle was not design patented until 1918."

Bludwine Link / Angelfire:

http://www.angelfire.com/tn/traderz/bludwine.html

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

"One of the most elaborate deco sodas I have ever seen is the Kola-Mint with raised and sunken panels, horizontal rings, and the script trade mark embossed on high relief mint leaves."

Kola Mint eBay Link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Kola-Mint-Soda-Bottle-6oz-Thick-Green-Glass-Williamsport-Pa-/200933036835?nma=true&si=BE5m00Xb1uFSSPr3io6zqH6UuGE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

"gay-ola adopted a bottle design patented in 1914"

Gay-Ola Patent Link:

https://www.google.com/patents/USD51617?pg=PA1&dq=51,617+bottle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FZLxUdn0K4XBqwGT3oDoBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=51%2C617%20bottle&f=false

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

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[SODAPOPBOB]

Dennis:

Despite how it might look, please know that I am not trying to ridicule or discredit you, and I apologize if it seems that way. Its just that you had me confused earlier and I thought I would post some pictures and information regarding the three bottles you recently mentioned. I will let individual members decide for themselves whether they agree or disagree with your descriptions. As for myself, I honestly do not feel that any of the three bottles falls into the category of what I would call a true deco soda bottle. However, I do agree the bottles are forerunners of the deco style and definitely had an influence on the deco designs. So please know that I appreciate and respect your contributions and will use them to broaden my research attempts. At the same time I hope you will respect my contributions as well. As it stands now, I plan to continue my research regarding ...

1. Circa / Pre-ABM / BIM / Hand-blown / Tooled / Crown / Deco-style Soda Bottles. (If they exist) ???

And ...

2. When and what might have influenced the transition from common, straight-sided soda bottles to the more elaborately designed bottles that became extremely popular in the 1920s.

Thanks to everyone who have participated in and/or are following this thread with interest.

Respectfully,

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

This is for those who might be wondering what Deco/Art Deco is anyway? Pick your poison, but there are some definite common denominators.

Deco / Art Deco ... Definitions from various sources:

1. A style of decorative art developed originally in the 1920s and marked chiefly by geometric motifs, curvilinear forms, and sharply defined outlines.

2. A style of design that was popular in the 1920s and 1930s marked by stylized forms and geometric designs adapted to mass production.

3. A popular design movement dating from the 1920s. It is based on stylized geometric shapes such as stepped forms, chevrons, sunbursts, and curves and was considered quite modern at the time.

4. Movement in design, interior decoration, and architecture in the 1920s and '30s in Europe and the U.S. The name derives from the Exposition Internationale Des Arts Dcoratifs et Industriels Modernes in Paris in 1925. Its products included both individually crafted luxury items and mass-produced wares, but, in either case, the intention was to create a sleek and antitraditional elegance that symbolized wealth and sophistication. Influenced by Art Nouveau, Bauhaus, Cubist, Native American, and Egyptian sources, the distinguishing features of the style are simple, clean shapes, often with a streamlined look; ornament that is geometric or stylized from representational forms; and unusually varied, often expensive materials, which frequently include man-made substances (plastics, especially Bakelite; vita-glass; and ferroconcrete) in addition to natural ones (jade, silver, ivory, obsidian, chrome, and rock crystal). Typical motifs included stylized animals, foliage, nude female figures, and sun rays. New York City's Rockefeller Center (especially its interiors supervised by Donald Deskey), the Chrysler Building by William Van Alen, and the Empire State Building by Shreve, Lamb & Harmon are the most monumental embodiments of Art Deco.

5. Descriptive term applied to a style of decorative arts that was widely disseminated in Europe and the USA during the 1920s and 1930s. Derived from the style made popular by the Exposition Internationale Des Arts D?coratifs et Industriels Modernes held in Paris in 1925, the term has been used only since the late 1960s, when there was a revival of interest in the decorative arts of the early 20th century. Since then the term 'Art Deco' has been applied to a wide variety of works produced during the inter-war years, and even to those of the German Bauhaus. But Art Deco was essentially of French origin, and the term should, therefore, be applied only to French works and those from countries directly influenced by France.

6. The term ‘Art Deco’ has been used to describe design and architecture from the 1910s, 1920s, and 1930s that was characterized by bright colours, geometric shapes, and decorative motifs deriving from a wide range of visual sources from the early years of the 20th century.

7. A further boost to the rather geometric structure of many Deco designs was given by Egyptian motifs with the opening of Tutankhamun's Tomb in 1922.

8. Art deco is characterized by long, thin forms, curving surfaces, and geometric patterning.