Twinkie, Twinkie Little Star

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As for the slave remark, I think most of the population are slaves and should seek a little freedom maybe..

 

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All I can end with is this, the men and women of that union decided they had had enough of the company and it's mismanagement, they agreed to a 27% pay cut and other concessions already during the 2008 bankruptcy, so they voted as a group to strike for what they believed in. They stuck to their guns and the Hostess decided to liquidate, that's the American way right, a Free Market where the strong survive and the weak go by the wayside. The company and it's assets will be bought up by a company like Bimbo, many if not all of these people will go back to work, and Twinkies will once again roll off the conveyor belts. God bless the Twinkie!

 

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ORIGINAL: cyberdigger

It's a hatred of dependency you see in my post, Jim. It's a generalized feeling that comes from deep inside me.

At no point do you address the roll the company has in this, they negotiated these contracts, this isn't some politicain giving unions contracts for votes. It's a company agreeing to the wage and benefit packages in good faith, or what was supposed to be in good faith. They knew the costs for the company to operate and should have had a financial plan that would work, how does Bimbo, Flowers Foods, Inc., McKee Foods Corporation or George Weston Limited(The Competition) continue to operate and make money all while using the same union labor? They run the company well, they don't come out of a bankruptcy and have the bosses taking 300% raises, because Hostess wasn't able to do that you seem to want to blame it on the little guy. Well the little guy took the hit here because sometimes being right means more in the long run than bending over and taking it from behind...AGAIN

 

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ORIGINAL: cyberdigger

As for the slave remark, I think most of the population are slaves and should seek a little freedom maybe..

These people did exercise their freedoms, in a tough economic climate, I just hope they all knew the facts before they voted whether or not to strike, I for one am proud of them taking a stand against what I see as rediculous demands. I think the bigshots figured they would fold because of the tough economy, they were wrong.

 

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I'm just saying don't be a victim.. everyone knows rich and powerful poeple are that way because of complete and total greed.. I hope you don't think I am defending them, or even admiring them, I'm just saying people should choose wisely in life and not count on organizations to pull their chariots.

 

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I agree, nobody should be a victim, and I'm not against you voicing your opinion as long as I get to voice mine. I hope Bimbo buys the operation before years end and they get back to work making America fat and unhealthy again...[]

 

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The Union's side...

“Hostess’s announcement that it is liquidating the company is a deep disappointment for all of
our Hostess members. While Hostess management wants to blame our members for the demise
of the company, the truth is that had it not been for the valiant efforts of our members over the
last eight years, including accepting significant wage and benefit concessions after the first
bankruptcy, this company would have gone out of business long ago."

“Hostess failed because its six management teams over the last eight years were unable to make
it a profitable, successful business enterprise. Despite a commitment from the company after the
first bankruptcy that the resources derived from the workers’ concessions would be plowed back
into the company, this never materialized. Management refused to invest in modernizing its
bakeries or devote necessary resources to advertising and marketing, product development and
new technology. Business plan after business plan failed, leaving the company ever deeper in
debt."

“When a highly-respected financial consultant, hired by Hostess, determined earlier this year that
the company’s business plan to exit bankruptcy was guaranteed to fail because it left the
company with unsustainable debt levels, our members knew that the massive wage and benefit
concessions the company was demanding would go straight to Wall Street investors and not back
into the company."

“Our members were aware that while the company was descending into bankruptcy and
demanding deep concessions, the top ten executives of the company were rewarding themselves
with lavish compensation increases, with the then CEO receiving a 300 percent increase."

“Our members decided they were not going to take any more abuse from a company they have
given so much to for so many years. They decided that they were not going to agree to another
round of outrageous wage and benefit cuts and give up their pension only to see yet another
management team fail and Wall Street vulture capitalists and “restructuring specialists†walk
away with untold millions of dollars."

“Throughout this long and difficult process, BCTGM members showed tremendous courage,
solidarity and devotion to principle. They were well aware of the potential consequences of their
actions but stood strong for dignity, justice and respectâ€​

 

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“Our members decided they were not going to take any more abuse from a company they have
given so much to for so many years.

This is the very core of the attitude which has caused the entitlement problem. They had a job and got paid to do it. They did not get picked out of a cosmic hat by destiny to have their futures secured for them.

 

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Just a footnote in reguards to Bimbo buying the company and keeping the jobs here, wont happen as Bimbo is a mexican company owned by an evil ([]) mexican billionaire who will promptly take it south as the sugar cost and labour costs will make it viable to produce. Well done with another bunch on unemployment!

 

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ORIGINAL: coreya

Just a footnote in reguards to Bimbo buying the company and keeping the jobs here, wont happen as Bimbo is a mexican company owned by an evil ([]) mexican billionaire who will promptly take it south as the sugar cost and labour costs will make it viable to produce. Well done with another bunch on unemployment!

They took over Thomas English Muffins, along with a host of other companies here in the US, they are all doing well and have kept the same basic employee structure. I have many friends who work for them right up the street...[]

It is true they have access to cheaper Raw Sugar, which helps make them more profitable, but they do it in the same factories that have been churning out these products for decades.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument though...[8D]

http://www.bimbobakeriesusa.com/