Ward's Orange Crush by Alco Bottling?

[Canadacan]

Inserting history on the use of 'Crinkly' vs 'Krinkly' And that funny that you posted that Krinkly Lime label, I had run acrosss that yesterday and had wondered about it? I believe it was just a lime cordial....thought it was made up, guess it's a facsimile of the original label. I suppose you have seen the Ward's labels that have been circulating that are from the UK?....nice labels, thought about picking some up. Now those two Identical newsprint adds from 1922 sparked a couple of other interesting things...that one of them was distributed by the Coca-Cola company. But what really caught my eye is the fine print show head quarters of Chicago, Winnipeg, London. I thought Crush in Canada was HQ'd out of Toronto as my Ward's Crowns show...guess not in the beginning! I know in my area (Vancouver BC) Orange Crush Bottling Co. first year of being listed is in the 1921 directory. Yes it's too bad we don't have access to more of the Butte Directories....I suppose the Butte-Silver Bow Public Archives may have info. Also I did find somewhere. ..University of MT had a list of directories, missing many years...like 1919-23...I think they had 1924 but I don't think this stuff is available online...must not be digitized?

 

[Canadacan]

Well to further document things I found this letter dated 1923 from ebay and I'll post it for educational purposes only.Just as I had suspected the Orange Crush Company did not impose a strict compliance to change overnight to the Krinkly bottle, like I questioned before that would have been at a great cost for the bottler and if they tried to impose an immediate change over I suspect some bottlers would have just up and dropped the product altogether. I'm sure the corporation encouraged bottlers to switch though.It seems the the documented or written accepted time line for the paper label was 1916-20 and yes the Patented Krinkly bottle was from July 13,1920 but that did not mean the paper label was entirely finished in its use,...I can imagine there were a few hold outs, was Nevin-Frank Co. later in the change?....I hope my bottles reveal some sort of answer. I don't think one can really argue given this document that paper labels were used well past 1920 and maybe even into the later 20's?...hmmm. One other note , notice the tray and bottles depicted on the letter are the same as on the bottle label....It all makes sense really...paper was still being used but what better way to advertise the new patented bottle than right on the labels that were still in use with the SS bottles! [attachment=Orange Crush 1923-1.jpg] [attachment=Copy.jpg]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I believe these bottles are from the same Facebook site as were some of the bottles posted earlier. I wonder why these bottles are the same style and all have Butte, Montana embossed on the shoulder but the paper labels are from entirely different and unrelated bottlers? https://www.facebook.com/SassySales 1. Concord Punch = Alco/Nevin-Frank2. Checo = Butte Brewing Company3. Hyball = Northwestern Bottling Works

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Revised Question ... Are we to believe that every beverage bottler in Butte, Montana used the same type of bottle?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Especially when you take into account the Butte Brewing Company had their own Checo bottle to put a paper label on!

 

[Canadacan]

Easy to explain that they are all from the same town, if they were not a red flag would go up! Yes same bottle group mine came from....There are two Checo bottles, they are Prohibition era bottles. I'm quite sure that in this rough and tumble mining Town of the 20's that bottlers turned a blind eye when they had customers return other competitors bottles....that was a known problem back then.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

As I said earlier, I'm not trying to bring you down or bum you out, but I have to disagree about it being easy to explain. The more I look into this the more convinced I become that someone had a bunch of paper labels they pasted on various bottles, and that some, if not all of the labels, are not original to the bottles they are applied to. I suppose the only way to know for sure is to examine the makers marks and date codes on the bottles themselves. If it turns out that a Ward's Orange Crush paper label is on a 1930s or 1940s bottle, it will be next to impossible to convince me the label is original to the bottle. There's no way the transition from paper labels, which started in 1920-1921, took until 1930-1931 to complete.

 

[Canadacan]

Posted on Printmag dot.com,This letter dated 1917 from the same company I believe, and shows the early logo used on the paper label matches up with the letter head. I have not seen a letter head that matches the other style logo, but most of the ads from 1920 best match up to it. Maybe they just had the two letter head styles from 1916-1923+? . So this would have been the first label used and my bottle I posted above earlier would have been the last type of paper label used. [attachment=Orange Crush 1917-2.jpg][attachment=Crush Bottle-2.jpg]

 

[Canadacan]

"There's no way the transition from paper labels, which started in 1920-1921, took until 1930-1931 to complete." Yea I hear what your saying...and there is no way to know how long the transition took for sure. I could contact the fellow that bought the Checo bottles to see how he feels about them being authentic?...I believe he is a very knowledgeable brewerainia collector and would not have pursued them if they were suspect. Remember the saying...'Never say Never'[].....I have to be an optimist at this point!....but fully prepared for utter disappointment[]

 

[Canadacan]

P.S. Maybe they are talking about a "new" formula for Orange Crush, except I can find no evidence to support that Orange Crush was reformulated in 1937.

Here is another ad dated 1929!....and you guessed it......... with the slogan NEW. [attachment=1929 New Orange Crush-1.jpg]