SODAPOPBOB
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ORIGINAL: celerycola
Of the three bottles I referenced, two (Bludwine and Gay-Ola) were considered to have sufficient DECOrative elements to receive protection under Federal Patent Laws for their design. If the United States Government declares a bottle to be DECOrative then that is good enough for me.
I think it is fair for everyone to evaluate a bottle for themselves whether it qualifies as DECOrative or not.
Celerycola / Dennis:
I don't mean this to sound like I'm being facetious because I'm not. Nor am I challenging anyone's credentials, their years of experience, or anything of the sort. But it does sound to me as if you're saying that any soda bottle which you describe as DECOaritive is basically a loose form of a Deco Soda Bottle irregardless of when it was patented and/or produced just as long as it is decorated with fancy embossing. It also sounds to me as if you are saying it is in the eye of the beholder to determine what bottles are considered Deco bottles and what aren't. And if this is in fact what you are saying or even insinuating, then I guess I need to go back to square one and re-research the definition of Art Deco and Deco.
As for the word DECOrative / decorative in relation to U.S. bottle patents, the most often used word I am familiar with is "Ornamental," which can refer to fancy embossing as well as a unique shape. I'm not saying the word "decorative" doesn't exist among U.S. bottle patent terminology, but if it does I believe it's far and few between and a term I have not seen used.
The patent text below is for a Gay-Ola-style of bottle which I have highlighted the word "ornamental." Every one of the Paul A. Ginter bottles that I posted links to also use the word ornamental, and I have seen the same word used as far back as 1902.
Link:
https://www.google.com/patents/USD51617?pg=PA1&dq=51,617+bottle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FZLxUdn0K4XBqwGT3oDoBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=51%2C617%20bottle&f=false
I may not understand exactly what you are trying to say or the point you are trying to make, (maybe we're actually saying the same thing and agreeing, I'm not sure) but I do know what I'm trying to say and the point I'm trying to make, which is ...
It is my opinion that pre-abm (circa pre-1910) soda bottles with fancy embossing and/or a unique shape were predecessors of the Deco soda bottle era, but feel deco soda bottles had their true beginning around 1923 and was hugely influenced by the discovery of King Tut's tomb in Egypt in 1922.
Respectfully,
Bob
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The term "Ornamental" on U.S. bottle patents goes back at least as early as 1902, but I do not feel that all ornamental soda bottles are Deco soda bottles!